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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: "Guo, Wangyang" <wangyang.guo@intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Tianyou Li <tianyou.li@intel.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Liang <dan.liang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] lib/group_cpus: make group CPU cluster aware
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2025 09:38:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aRU2sC5q5hCmS_eM@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a101fe80-ca0b-4b4b-94b1-f08db1b164fc@intel.com>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 11:02:47AM +0800, Guo, Wangyang wrote:
> On 11/11/2025 8:08 PM, Ming Lei wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 01:31:04PM +0800, Guo, Wangyang wrote:
> > > On 11/11/2025 11:25 AM, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 10:06:08AM +0800, Wangyang Guo wrote:
> > > > > As CPU core counts increase, the number of NVMe IRQs may be smaller than
> > > > > the total number of CPUs. This forces multiple CPUs to share the same
> > > > > IRQ. If the IRQ affinity and the CPU’s cluster do not align, a
> > > > > performance penalty can be observed on some platforms.
> > > > 
> > > > Can you add details why/how CPU cluster isn't aligned with IRQ
> > > > affinity? And how performance penalty is caused?
> > > 
> > > Intel Xeon E platform packs 4 CPU cores as 1 module (cluster) and share the
> > > L2 cache. Let's say, if there are 40 CPUs in 1 NUMA domain and 11 IRQs to
> > > dispatch. The existing algorithm will map first 7 IRQs each with 4 CPUs and
> > > remained 4 IRQs each with 3 CPUs each. The last 4 IRQs may have cross
> > > cluster issue. For example, the 9th IRQ which pinned to CPU32, then for
> > > CPU31, it will have cross L2 memory access.
> > 
> > 
> > CPUs sharing L2 usually have small number, and it is common to see one queue
> > mapping includes CPUs from different L2.
> > 
> > So how much does crossing L2 hurt IO perf?
> We see 15%+ performance difference in FIO libaio/randread/bs=8k.

As I mentioned, it is common to see CPUs crossing L2 in same group, but why
does it make a difference here? You mentioned just some platforms are
affected.

> > They still should share same L3 cache, and cpus_share_cache() should be
> > true when the IO completes on the CPU which belong to different L2 with the
> > submission CPU, and remote completion via IPI won't be triggered.
> Yes, remote IPI not triggered.

OK, in my test on AMD zen4, NVMe performance can be dropped to 1/2 - 1/3 if
remote IPI is triggered in case of crossing L3, which is understandable.

I will check if topo cluster can cover L3, if yes, the patch still can be
simplified a lot by introducing sub-node spread by changing build_node_to_cpumask()
and adding nr_sub_nodes.


Thanks,
Ming


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-13  1:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-11  2:06 [PATCH RESEND] lib/group_cpus: make group CPU cluster aware Wangyang Guo
2025-11-11  3:25 ` Ming Lei
2025-11-11  5:31   ` Guo, Wangyang
2025-11-11 12:08     ` Ming Lei
2025-11-12  3:02       ` Guo, Wangyang
2025-11-13  1:38         ` Ming Lei [this message]
2025-11-13  3:32           ` Guo, Wangyang
2025-11-18  6:29           ` Guo, Wangyang
2025-11-19  1:52             ` Ming Lei
2025-11-24  7:58               ` Guo, Wangyang
2025-12-08  2:47                 ` Guo, Wangyang

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