From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 0/7] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migration
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2025 14:12:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aRXZTljABwNiZDsF@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251113083324.33490-1-gmonaco@redhat.com>
Le Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 09:33:17AM +0100, Gabriele Monaco a écrit :
> The timer migration mechanism allows active CPUs to pull timers from
> idle ones to improve the overall idle time. This is however undesired
> when CPU intensive workloads run on isolated cores, as the algorithm
> would move the timers from housekeeping to isolated cores, negatively
> affecting the isolation.
>
> Exclude isolated cores from the timer migration algorithm, extend the
> concept of unavailable cores, currently used for offline ones, to
> isolated ones:
> * A core is unavailable if isolated or offline;
> * A core is available if non isolated and online;
>
> A core is considered unavailable as isolated if it belongs to:
> * the isolcpus (domain) list
> * an isolated cpuset
> Except if it is:
> * in the nohz_full list (already idle for the hierarchy)
> * the nohz timekeeper core (must be available to handle global timers)
>
> CPUs are added to the hierarchy during late boot, excluding isolated
> ones, the hierarchy is also adapted when the cpuset isolation changes.
>
> Due to how the timer migration algorithm works, any CPU part of the
> hierarchy can have their global timers pulled by remote CPUs and have to
> pull remote timers, only skipping pulling remote timers would break the
> logic.
> For this reason, prevent isolated CPUs from pulling remote global
> timers, but also the other way around: any global timer started on an
> isolated CPU will run there. This does not break the concept of
> isolation (global timers don't come from outside the CPU) and, if
> considered inappropriate, can usually be mitigated with other isolation
> techniques (e.g. IRQ pinning).
>
> This effect was noticed on a 128 cores machine running oslat on the
> isolated cores (1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127). The tool monopolises CPUs,
> and the CPU with lowest count in a timer migration hierarchy (here 1
> and 65) appears as always active and continuously pulls global timers,
> from the housekeeping CPUs. This ends up moving driver work (e.g.
> delayed work) to isolated CPUs and causes latency spikes:
>
> before the change:
>
> # oslat -c 1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127 -D 62s
> ...
> Maximum: 1203 10 3 4 ... 5 (us)
>
> after the change:
>
> # oslat -c 1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127 -D 62s
> ...
> Maximum: 10 4 3 4 3 ... 5 (us)
>
> The same behaviour was observed on a machine with as few as 20 cores /
> 40 threads with isocpus set to: 1-9,11-39 with rtla-osnoise-top.
>
> The first 4 patches are preparatory work to change the concept of
> online/offline to available/unavailable, keep track of those in a
> separate cpumask cleanup the setting/clearing functions and change a
> function name in cpuset code.
>
> Patch 5 adapt isolation to prevent domain isolated and nohz_full from
> covering all CPUs not leaving any housekeeping one. This can lead to
> problems with the changes introduced in this series because no CPU would
> remain to handle global timers.
> (The corresponding change for cpuset was removed from this version of
> the series and is present in [2]).
>
> Patch 7 extends the unavailable status to domain isolated CPUs, which
> is the main contribution of the series.
>
> Changes since v14:
> * Rebase on tip/timers/core, rename one more ->online field
> * Mark the static key as static
> * Share code between tmigr_init_isolation and tmigr_isolated_exclude_cpumask
>
> Changes since v13:
> * Remove tmigr late initialisation and restore late isolation (as in v8 [1])
> * Use workqueues in initialisation just like tmigr_available_cpumask()
> * Use static key for tmigr_exclude_isolated
> * Remove cpuset patch checking for HK conflict (included in [2])
> * Rename cpuset helper to update_isolation_cpumasks as in [2]
>
> Changes since v12:
> * Pick and adapt patch by Yury Norov to initialise cpumasks
> * Reorganise accesses to tmigr_available_cpumask to avoid races
>
> Changes since v11:
> * Rename isolcpus_nohz_conflict() to isolated_cpus_can_update()
> * Move tick_nohz_cpu_hotpluggable() check to tmigr_is_isolated()
> * Use workqueues in tmigr_isolated_exclude_cpumask() to avoid sleeping
> while atomic
> * Add cpumask initialiser to safely use cpumask cleanup helpers
>
> Changes since v10:
> * Simplify housekeeping conflict condition
> * Reword commit (Frederic Weisbecker)
>
> Changes since v9:
> * Fix total housekeeping enforcement to focus only on nohz and domain
> * Avoid out of bound access in the housekeeping array if no flag is set
> * Consider isolated_cpus while checking for nohz conflicts in cpuset
> * Improve comment about why nohz CPUs are not excluded by tmigr
>
> Changes since v8 [1]:
> * Postpone hotplug registration to late initcall (Frederic Weisbecker)
> * Move main activation logic in _tmigr_set_cpu_available() and call it
> after checking for isolation on hotplug and cpusets changes
> * Call _tmigr_set_cpu_available directly to force enable tick CPU if
> required (this saves checking for that on every hotplug change).
>
> Changes since v7:
> * Move tmigr_available_cpumask out of tmc lock and specify conditions.
> * Initialise tmigr isolation despite the state of isolcpus.
> * Move tick CPU check to condition to run SMP call.
> * Fix descriptions.
>
> Changes since v6 [3]:
> * Prevent isolation checks from running during early boot
> * Prevent double (de)activation while setting cpus (un)available
> * Use synchronous smp calls from the isolation path
> * General cleanup
>
> Changes since v5:
> * Remove fallback if no housekeeping is left by isolcpus and nohz_full
> * Adjust condition not to activate CPUs in the migration hierarchy
> * Always force the nohz tick CPU active in the hierarchy
>
> Changes since v4 [4]:
> * use on_each_cpu_mask() with changes on isolated CPUs to avoid races
> * keep nohz_full CPUs included in the timer migration hierarchy
> * prevent domain isolated and nohz_full to cover all CPUs
>
> Changes since v3:
> * add parameter to function documentation
> * split into multiple straightforward patches
>
> Changes since v2:
> * improve comments about handling CPUs isolated at boot
> * minor cleanup
>
> Changes since v1 [5]:
> * split into smaller patches
> * use available mask instead of unavailable
> * simplification and cleanup
>
> [1] - https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250714133050.193108-9-gmonaco@redhat.com
> [2] - https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20251104013037.296013-1-longman@redhat.com
> [3] - https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250530142031.215594-1-gmonaco@redhat.com
> [4] - https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250506091534.42117-7-gmonaco@redhat.com
> [5] - https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250410065446.57304-2-gmonaco@redhat.com
>
> Gabriele Monaco (6):
> timers: Rename tmigr 'online' bit to 'available'
> timers: Add the available mask in timer migration
> timers: Use scoped_guard when setting/clearing the tmigr available
> flag
> cgroup/cpuset: Rename update_unbound_workqueue_cpumask() to
> update_isolation_cpumasks()
> sched/isolation: Force housekeeping if isolcpus and nohz_full don't
> leave any
> timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migration
>
> Yury Norov (1):
> cpumask: Add initialiser to use cleanup helpers
>
> include/linux/cpumask.h | 2 +
> include/linux/timer.h | 9 ++
> include/trace/events/timer_migration.h | 4 +-
> kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c | 15 +-
> kernel/sched/isolation.c | 23 +++
> kernel/time/timer_migration.c | 213 +++++++++++++++++++++----
> kernel/time/timer_migration.h | 2 +-
> 7 files changed, 232 insertions(+), 36 deletions(-)
>
>
> base-commit: ba14500e4bfcab5e841fbf8d7fcbbc80e98d6b9e
Looks good to me now, thanks!
--
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-13 13:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-13 8:33 [PATCH v15 0/7] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migration Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-13 8:33 ` [PATCH v15 1/7] timers: Rename tmigr 'online' bit to 'available' Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-19 15:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-13 8:33 ` [PATCH v15 2/7] timers: Add the available mask in timer migration Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-19 15:56 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-13 8:33 ` [PATCH v15 3/7] timers: Use scoped_guard when setting/clearing the tmigr available flag Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-19 15:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-13 8:33 ` [PATCH v15 4/7] cgroup/cpuset: Rename update_unbound_workqueue_cpumask() to update_isolation_cpumasks() Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-13 8:33 ` [PATCH v15 5/7] sched/isolation: Force housekeeping if isolcpus and nohz_full don't leave any Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-13 8:33 ` [PATCH v15 6/7] cpumask: Add initialiser to use cleanup helpers Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-13 8:33 ` [PATCH v15 7/7] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migration Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-19 16:50 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-19 17:14 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-11-19 18:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-19 20:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-11-19 21:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-19 22:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-11-19 22:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-19 22:31 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-11-19 20:43 ` Waiman Long
2025-11-20 10:48 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 21:04 ` Waiman Long
2025-11-13 13:12 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2025-11-18 10:01 ` [PATCH v15 0/7] " Gabriele Monaco
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