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From: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
To: Hao Li <haoli.tcs@gmail.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Sidhartha Kumar <sidhartha.kumar@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, maple-tree@lists.infradead.org,
	Venkat Rao Bagalkote <venkat88@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: slub: add barn_get_full_sheaf() and refine empty-main sheaf replacement
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:59:31 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aTWIQ0s3EbOa0azX@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dq67tbm6bbvm7opvuq5vwtjjrcnrponmhfv7xwnvpv6vp3u2lv@bkruq4dtx3rd>

On Wed, Dec 03, 2025 at 07:15:12PM +0800, Hao Li wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2025 at 02:46:22PM +0900, Harry Yoo wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 02, 2025 at 05:00:08PM +0800, Hao Li wrote:
> > > Introduce barn_get_full_sheaf(), a helper that detaches a full sheaf from
> > > the per-node barn without requiring an empty sheaf in exchange.
> > > 
> > > Use this helper in __pcs_replace_empty_main() to change how an empty main
> > > per-CPU sheaf is handled:
> > > 
> > >   - If pcs->spare is NULL and pcs->main is empty, first try to obtain a
> > >     full sheaf from the barn via barn_get_full_sheaf(). On success, park
> > >     the empty main sheaf in pcs->spare and install the full sheaf as the
> > >     new pcs->main.
> > > 
> > >   - If pcs->spare already exists and has objects, keep the existing
> > >     behavior of simply swapping pcs->main and pcs->spare.
> > > 
> > >   - Only when both pcs->main and pcs->spare are empty do we fall back to
> > >     barn_replace_empty_sheaf() and trade the empty main sheaf into the
> > >     barn in exchange for a full one.
> > 
> > Hi Hao,
> > 
> > Yeah this is a very subtle difference between __pcs_replace_full_main()
> > and __pcs_replace_empty_main(), that the former installs the full main
> > sheaf in pcs->spare, while the latter replaces the empty main sheaf with
> > a full sheaf from the barn without populating pcs->spare.
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> > Is it intentional, Vlastimil?

Let's first see if Vlastimil had an intention, and...

> > > This makes the empty-main path more symmetric with __pcs_replace_full_main(),
> > > which for a full main sheaf parks the full sheaf in pcs->spare and pulls an
> > > empty sheaf from the barn. It also matches the documented design more closely:
> > > 
> > >   "When both percpu sheaves are found empty during an allocation, an empty
> > >    sheaf may be replaced with a full one from the per-node barn."
> > 
> > I'm not convinced that this change is worthwhile by adding more code;
> > you probably need to make a stronger argument for why it should be done.
> 
> Hi Harry,
> 
> Let me explain my intuition in more detail.
> 
> Previously, when pcs->main was empty and pcs->spare was NULL, we used
> barn_replace_empty_sheaf() to trade the empty main sheaf into the barn
> in exchange for a full one. As a result, pcs->main became full, but
> pcs->spare remained NULL. Later, when frees filled pcs->main again,
> __pcs_replace_full_main() had to call into the barn to obtain an empty
> sheaf, because there was still no local spare to use.
> 
> With this patch, when pcs->main is empty and pcs->spare is NULL,
> __pcs_replace_empty_main() instead uses barn_get_full_sheaf() to pull a
> full sheaf from the barn while keeping the now‑empty main sheaf locally
> as pcs->spare. The next time pcs->main becomes full,
> __pcs_replace_full_main() can simply swap main and spare, with no barn
> operations and no need to allocate a new empty sheaf.

I'm not still sure that either way is superior, as it really depends on
the alloc/free pattern. If the CPU keeps allocating more objects, keeping
the empty sheaf is unnecessary, but we don't know what the alloc/free
pattern will be.

So strong opinion from me, but I think it'd be better make
__pcs_replace_{full,empty}_main() handle it consistently,
if there is no special intention.

> In other words, although we still need one barn operation when main
> first becomes empty in __pcs_replace_empty_main(), we avoid a future
> barn operation on the subsequent “main full” path in
> __pcs_replace_full_main.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Hao Li <haoli.tcs@gmail.com>

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-07 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10  8:01 [PATCH v8 00/23] SLUB percpu sheaves Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 01/23] locking/local_lock: Expose dep_map in local_trylock_t Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-24 16:49   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 02/23] slab: simplify init_kmem_cache_nodes() error handling Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-24 16:52   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 03/23] slab: add opt-in caching layer of percpu sheaves Vlastimil Babka
2025-12-02  8:48   ` [PATCH] slub: add barn_get_full_sheaf() and refine empty-main sheaf Hao Li
2025-12-02  8:55     ` Hao Li
2025-12-02  9:00   ` slub: add barn_get_full_sheaf() and refine empty-main sheaf replacement Hao Li
2025-12-03  5:46     ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-03 11:15       ` Hao Li
2025-12-07 13:59         ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2025-12-08 18:51           ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-12-09  2:39             ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-09  9:43               ` Hao Li
2025-12-09  9:42             ` Hao Li
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 04/23] slab: add sheaf support for batching kfree_rcu() operations Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-12  0:38   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-09-12  7:03     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-17  8:30   ` Harry Yoo
2025-09-17  9:55     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-17 11:32       ` Harry Yoo
2025-09-17 12:05         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-17 13:07           ` Harry Yoo
2025-09-17 13:21             ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-17 13:34               ` Harry Yoo
2025-09-17 14:14                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-18  8:09                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-19  6:47                     ` Harry Yoo
2025-09-19  7:02                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-19  8:59                         ` Harry Yoo
2025-09-25  4:35                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-25  8:52                       ` Harry Yoo
2025-09-25 13:38                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-26 10:08                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-26 15:41                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-17 11:36       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-09-17 12:13         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-31 21:32   ` Daniel Gomez
2025-11-03  3:17     ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-05 11:25       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-11-27 14:00         ` Daniel Gomez
2025-11-27 19:29           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-11-28 11:37             ` [PATCH V1] mm/slab: introduce kvfree_rcu_barrier_on_cache() for cache destruction Harry Yoo
2025-11-28 12:22               ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-28 12:38               ` Daniel Gomez
2025-12-02  9:29               ` Jon Hunter
2025-12-02 10:18                 ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-27 11:38     ` [PATCH v8 04/23] slab: add sheaf support for batching kfree_rcu() operations Jon Hunter
2025-11-27 11:50       ` Jon Hunter
2025-11-27 12:33       ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-27 12:48         ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-28  8:57           ` Jon Hunter
2025-12-01  6:55             ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-27 13:18       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-11-28  8:59         ` Jon Hunter
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 05/23] slab: sheaf prefilling for guaranteed allocations Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 06/23] slab: determine barn status racily outside of lock Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 07/23] slab: skip percpu sheaves for remote object freeing Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-25 16:14   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 08/23] slab: allow NUMA restricted allocations to use percpu sheaves Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-25 16:27   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 09/23] maple_tree: remove redundant __GFP_NOWARN Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 10/23] tools/testing/vma: clean up stubs in vma_internal.h Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 11/23] maple_tree: Drop bulk insert support Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-25 16:38   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 12/23] tools/testing/vma: Implement vm_refcnt reset Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-25 16:38   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 13/23] tools/testing: Add support for changes to slab for sheaves Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-26 23:28   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 14/23] mm, vma: use percpu sheaves for vm_area_struct cache Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 15/23] maple_tree: use percpu sheaves for maple_node_cache Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-12  2:20   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-16 15:16   ` D, Suneeth
2025-10-16 16:15     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-17 18:26       ` D, Suneeth
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 16/23] tools/testing: include maple-shim.c in maple.c Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-26 23:45   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 17/23] testing/radix-tree/maple: Hack around kfree_rcu not existing Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-26 23:53   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 18/23] maple_tree: Use kfree_rcu in ma_free_rcu Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-17 11:46   ` Harry Yoo
2025-09-27  0:05     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 19/23] maple_tree: Replace mt_free_one() with kfree() Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-27  0:06   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 20/23] tools/testing: Add support for prefilled slab sheafs Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-27  0:28   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 21/23] maple_tree: Prefilled sheaf conversion and testing Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-27  1:08   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-29  7:30     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-29 16:51       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 22/23] maple_tree: Add single node allocation support to maple state Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-27  1:17   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-29  7:39     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-10  8:01 ` [PATCH v8 23/23] maple_tree: Convert forking to use the sheaf interface Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-07  6:34 ` [PATCH v8 00/23] SLUB percpu sheaves Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-07  8:03   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-08  6:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  8:32       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-22  6:47         ` Christoph Hellwig

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