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From: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/17] midx: do not require packs to be sorted in lexicographic order
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2025 21:11:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aTeFVDGo69ljiQP9@nand.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aTeEZX4036A9YecX@nand.local>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2025 at 09:07:33PM -0500, Taylor Blau wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 08, 2025 at 07:26:53PM +0100, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 06, 2025 at 03:31:25PM -0500, Taylor Blau wrote:
> > > Note that this produces MIDXs which may be incompatible with earlier
> > > versions of Git that have stricter requirements on the layout of packs
> > > within a MIDX. This patch does *not* modify the version number of the
> > > MIDX format, since existing versions of Git already know to gracefully
> > > ignore a MIDX with packs that appear out-of-order.
> >
> > Interesting. Did you verify how other implementations of Git behave if
> > we start to relax this requirement? It seems like a somewhat dangerous
> > assumption to me that this will just continue to work.
>
> That's a great point. It looks like current libgit2 assumes[1] that the
> list is sorted and complains loudly if it is not. Presumably other
> implementations behave similarly.
>
> I think that is a compelling enough argument to swing us towards
> bumping the version number to avoid compatibility issues.

I had another thought about how we might work around this without
forcing a compatibility issue, but it's a non-starter. I wanted to share
it on the list for posterity regardless.

I was going to add that we could instead consider adding a new chunk to
the MIDX format that lists the pack names in the order that they should
appear in the pseudo-pack order. Absent of that chunk, the pseudo-pack
order would be defined by the lexicographic order of pack names. If the
chunk exists, it would supersede that ordering.

But that just kicks the can down the road, since implementations like
libgit2 would think that they could read a *.midx file, but then they'd
produce all sorts of errors when trying to read its corresponding
*.bitmap file by permuting its bits out-of-order.

(I'm not sure off-hand whether or not libgit2 supports reading MIDX
bitmaps to begin with. Regardless, we should not introduce the
possibility for such a breakage in clients that *do* support reading
MIDX bitmaps, whether or not libgit2 is such a client.)

Thanks,
Taylor

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-09  2:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-06 20:30 [PATCH 00/17] midx: incremental MIDX/bitmap layer compaction Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 01/17] midx: mark `get_midx_checksum()` arguments as const Taylor Blau
2025-12-08 18:26   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-09  1:41     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 02/17] midx: split `get_midx_checksum()` by adding `get_midx_hash()` Taylor Blau
2025-12-08 18:25   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-09  1:42     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-09  1:50       ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-09  6:27         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-01-13 22:46           ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 03/17] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: make '--progress' a common option Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 04/17] git-multi-pack-index(1): remove non-existent incompatibility Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 05/17] git-multi-pack-index(1): align SYNOPSIS with 'git multi-pack-index -h' Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 06/17] t/t5319-multi-pack-index.sh: fix copy-and-paste error in t5319.39 Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 07/17] midx-write.c: don't use `pack_perm` when assigning `bitmap_pos` Taylor Blau
2025-12-08 18:26   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-09  1:59     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 08/17] midx-write.c: introduce `struct write_midx_opts` Taylor Blau
2025-12-08 18:26   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-09  2:04     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 09/17] midx: do not require packs to be sorted in lexicographic order Taylor Blau
2025-12-08 18:26   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-09  2:07     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-09  2:11       ` Taylor Blau [this message]
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 10/17] git-compat-util.h: introduce `u32_add()` Taylor Blau
2025-12-08 18:27   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-09  2:13     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 11/17] midx-write.c: introduce `midx_pack_perm()` helper Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 12/17] midx-write.c: extract `fill_pack_from_midx()` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 13/17] midx-write.c: enumerate `pack_int_id` values directly Taylor Blau
2025-12-08 18:27   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-09  2:14     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 14/17] midx-write.c: factor fanout layering from `compute_sorted_entries()` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 15/17] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: plug memory leak when selecting layer Taylor Blau
2025-12-08 18:27   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-12-09  2:16     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 16/17] midx: implement MIDX compaction Taylor Blau
2025-12-09  7:21   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-01-13 23:32     ` Taylor Blau
2025-12-06 20:31 ` [PATCH 17/17] midx: enable reachability bitmaps during " Taylor Blau
2025-12-09  7:21   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-01-13 23:47     ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] midx: incremental MIDX/bitmap layer compaction Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 01/18] midx: mark `get_midx_checksum()` arguments as const Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 02/18] midx: rename `get_midx_checksum()` to `midx_get_checksum_hash()` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 03/18] midx: introduce `midx_get_checksum_hex()` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 04/18] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: make '--progress' a common option Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 05/18] git-multi-pack-index(1): remove non-existent incompatibility Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 06/18] git-multi-pack-index(1): align SYNOPSIS with 'git multi-pack-index -h' Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 07/18] t/t5319-multi-pack-index.sh: fix copy-and-paste error in t5319.39 Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 08/18] midx-write.c: don't use `pack_perm` when assigning `bitmap_pos` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 21:13     ` Junio C Hamano
2026-01-14 21:40       ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 09/18] midx-write.c: introduce `struct write_midx_opts` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 10/18] midx: do not require packs to be sorted in lexicographic order Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 21:28     ` Junio C Hamano
2026-01-14 21:44       ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-27  7:34     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-02-24 18:47       ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 11/18] git-compat-util.h: introduce `u32_add()` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 21:49     ` Junio C Hamano
2026-01-14 22:03       ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-15  0:11         ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-21  8:51           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-01-21 23:55             ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-22  2:26               ` rsbecker
2026-01-22 17:07                 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-02-23 13:49               ` Jeff King
2026-02-24 18:53                 ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 12/18] midx-write.c: introduce `midx_pack_perm()` helper Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 13/18] midx-write.c: extract `fill_pack_from_midx()` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 14/18] midx-write.c: enumerate `pack_int_id` values directly Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:55   ` [PATCH v2 15/18] midx-write.c: factor fanout layering from `compute_sorted_entries()` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:55   ` [PATCH v2 16/18] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: plug memory leak when selecting layer Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:55   ` [PATCH v2 17/18] midx: implement MIDX compaction Taylor Blau
2026-01-27  7:35     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2026-01-27 22:13       ` Taylor Blau
2026-01-14 19:55   ` [PATCH v2 18/18] midx: enable reachability bitmaps during " Taylor Blau
2026-02-20 22:24   ` [PATCH v2 00/18] midx: incremental MIDX/bitmap layer compaction Junio C Hamano
2026-02-23 14:08     ` Jeff King
2026-02-24  5:25       ` Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 18:59 ` [PATCH v3 00/17] " Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 18:59   ` [PATCH v3 01/17] midx: mark `get_midx_checksum()` arguments as const Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 18:59   ` [PATCH v3 02/17] midx: rename `get_midx_checksum()` to `midx_get_checksum_hash()` Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 18:59   ` [PATCH v3 03/17] midx: introduce `midx_get_checksum_hex()` Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 18:59   ` [PATCH v3 04/17] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: make '--progress' a common option Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 18:59   ` [PATCH v3 05/17] git-multi-pack-index(1): remove non-existent incompatibility Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 18:59   ` [PATCH v3 06/17] git-multi-pack-index(1): align SYNOPSIS with 'git multi-pack-index -h' Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 07/17] t/t5319-multi-pack-index.sh: fix copy-and-paste error in t5319.39 Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 08/17] midx-write.c: don't use `pack_perm` when assigning `bitmap_pos` Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 09/17] midx-write.c: introduce `struct write_midx_opts` Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 10/17] midx: do not require packs to be sorted in lexicographic order Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 11/17] midx-write.c: introduce `midx_pack_perm()` helper Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 12/17] midx-write.c: extract `fill_pack_from_midx()` Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 13/17] midx-write.c: enumerate `pack_int_id` values directly Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 14/17] midx-write.c: factor fanout layering from `compute_sorted_entries()` Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 15/17] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: plug memory leak when selecting layer Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 16/17] midx: implement MIDX compaction Taylor Blau
2026-02-24 19:00   ` [PATCH v3 17/17] midx: enable reachability bitmaps during " Taylor Blau

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