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From: Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>
To: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Ilya Leoshkevich <iii@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	maddy@linux.ibm.com, srikar@linux.ibm.com,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	seanjc@google.com, kprateek.nayak@amd.com, vschneid@redhat.com,
	huschle@linux.ibm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/17] Paravirt CPUs and push task for less vCPU preemption
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2025 12:39:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aUBHw7MvOQYusuuA@yury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8368868e-48aa-4a90-95d1-1be4de9879e8@linux.ibm.com>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2025 at 11:00:18AM +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/4/25 6:58 PM, Ilya Leoshkevich wrote:
> > On Wed, 2025-11-19 at 18:14 +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:

...

> > Others have already commented on the naming, and I would agree that
> > "paravirt" is really misleading. I cannot say that the previous "cpu-
> > avoid" one was perfect, but it was much better.
 
It was my suggestion to switch names. cpu-avoid is definitely a
no-go. Because it doesn't explain anything and only confuses.

I suggested 'paravirt' (notice - only suggested) because the patch
series is mainly discussing paravirtualized VMs. But now I'm not even
sure that the idea of the series is:

1. Applicable only to paravirtualized VMs; and 
2. Preemption and rescheduling throttling requires another in-kernel
   concept other than nohs, isolcpus, cgroups and similar.

Shrikanth, can you please clarify the scope of the new feature? Would
it be useful for non-paravirtualized VMs, for example? Any other
task-cpu bonding problems?

On previous rounds you tried to implement the same with cgroups, as
far as I understood. Can you discuss that? What exactly can't be done
with the existing kernel APIs?

Thanks,
Yury

> > [1] https://github.com/iii-i/linux/commits/iii/poc/cpu-avoid/v3/
> 
> Will look into it. one thing to to be careful are CPU numbers.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-15 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-19 12:44 [PATCH 00/17] Paravirt CPUs and push task for less vCPU preemption Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 01/17] sched/docs: Document cpu_paravirt_mask and Paravirt CPU concept Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 21:48   ` Hillf Danton
2025-11-20 14:54     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-20 22:56       ` Hillf Danton
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 02/17] cpumask: Introduce cpu_paravirt_mask Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 03/17] sched/core: Dont allow to use CPU marked as paravirt Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 04/17] sched/debug: Remove unused schedstats Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 05/17] sched/fair: Add paravirt movements for proc sched file Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 06/17] sched/fair: Pass current cpu in select_idle_sibling Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 07/17] sched/fair: Don't consider paravirt CPUs for wakeup and load balance Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 08/17] sched/rt: Don't select paravirt CPU for wakeup and push/pull rt task Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 09/17] sched/core: Add support for nohz_full CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-21  3:16   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-11-21  4:40     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-24  4:36       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 10/17] sched/core: Push current task from paravirt CPU Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 11/17] sysfs: Add paravirt CPU file Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 12/17] powerpc: method to initialize ec and vp cores Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-21  8:29   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-21 10:14   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 13/17] powerpc: enable/disable paravirt CPUs based on steal time Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 14/17] powerpc: process steal values at fixed intervals Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 15/17] powerpc: add debugfs file for controlling handling on steal values Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 16/17] sysfs: Provide write method for paravirt Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-24 17:04   ` Greg KH
2025-11-24 17:24     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-25  2:49       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-25 15:52         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-25 16:02           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-11-25 16:08             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-19 12:44 ` [PATCH 17/17] sysfs: disable arch handling if paravirt file being written Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-24 17:05 ` [PATCH 00/17] Paravirt CPUs and push task for less vCPU preemption Greg KH
2025-11-25  2:39   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-25  7:48     ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2025-11-25  8:48       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-27 10:44 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-04 13:28 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-12-05  5:30   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-15 17:39     ` Yury Norov [this message]
2025-12-18  5:22       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-08  4:47 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-08  9:57   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-12-08 17:58     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-03-26  6:11 ` Shrikanth Hegde

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