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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Li Zhijian" <lizhijian@fujitsu.com>,
	"Hailiang Zhang" <zhanghailiang@xfusion.com>,
	"Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy" <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Zhang Chen" <zhangckid@gmail.com>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>,
	"Prasad Pandit" <ppandit@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Yury Kotov" <yury-kotov@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Juraj Marcin" <jmarcin@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/13] migration: Thread-ify precopy vmstate load process
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:50:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWUYVvFVbhXCdVod@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y0m7df46.fsf@suse.de>

On Thu, Jan 08, 2026 at 05:27:37PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > Migration module was there for 10+ years.  Initially, it was in most cases
> > based on coroutines.  As more features were added into the framework, like
> > postcopy, multifd, etc.. it became a mixture of threads and coroutines.
> >
> > I'm guessing coroutines just can't fix all issues that migration want to
> > resolve.
> >
> > After all these years, migration is now heavily based on a threaded model.
> >
> > Now there's still a major part of migration framework that is still not
> > thread-based, which is precopy load.  We do load in a separate thread in
> > postcopy since the 1st day postcopy was introduced, however that requires a
> > separate state transition from precopy loading all devices first, which
> > still happens in the main thread of a coroutine.
> >
> > This patch tries to move the migration incoming side to be run inside a
> > separate thread (mig/dst/main) just like the src (mig/src/main).  The
> > entrance to be migration_incoming_thread().
> >
> > Quite a few things are needed to make it fly..  One note here is we need to
> > change all these things in one patch to not break anything.  The other way
> > to do this is add code to make all paths (that this patch touched) be ready
> > for either coroutine or thread.  That may cause confusions in another way.
> > So reviewers, please take my sincere apology on the hardness of reviewing
> > this patch: it covers a few modules at the same time, and with some risky
> > changes.
> >
> > BQL Analysis
> > ============
> >
> > Firstly, when moving it over to the thread, it means the thread cannot take
> > BQL during the whole process of loading anymore, because otherwise it can
> > block main thread from using the BQL for all kinds of other concurrent
> > tasks (for example, processing QMP / HMP commands).
> >
> > Here the first question to ask is: what needs BQL during precopy load, and
> > what doesn't?
> >
> 
> I just noticed that the BQL held at process_incoming_migration_co is
> also responsible for stopping qmp_migrate_set_capabilities from being
> dispatched.

I don't know if it is by design, or even if it will be guaranteed to work..

Consider the migration incoming rocoutine runs into qemu_get_byte(), and
then proactively yield the migration coroutine (qemu_coroutine_yield())
when the incoming port is blocked on read..

AFAIU, a proper fix for that (note, this will currently break tests) is:

bool migration_is_running(void)
 {
-    MigrationState *s = current_migration;
+    MigrationStatus state;
 
-    if (!s) {
-        return false;
+    if (runstate_check(RUN_STATE_INMIGRATE)) {
+        MigrationIncomingState *mis = migration_incoming_get_current();
+
+        if (!mis) {
+            return false;
+        }
+
+        state = mis->state;
+    } else {
+        MigrationState *s = migrate_get_current();
+
+        if (!s) {
+            return false;
+        }
+
+        state = s->state;
     }
 
-    switch (s->state) {
+    switch (state) {
     case MIGRATION_STATUS_ACTIVE:
     case MIGRATION_STATUS_POSTCOPY_DEVICE:
     case MIGRATION_STATUS_POSTCOPY_ACTIVE:

> 
> Any point during incoming migration when BQL is unlocked we have a
> window where a capability could be changed. Same for parameters, for
> that matter.
> 
> To make matters worse, the -incoming cmdline will trigger
> qmp_migrate_incoming->...->migration_transport_compatible early on, but
> until the channels finally connect and process_incoming_migration_co
> starts it's possible to just change a capability in an incompatible way
> and the transport will never be validated again.

Right.  Above should fix it, but I believe it also means after "-incoming
tcp:xxx" (or anything not "defer") we should forbid changing migration caps
or params on destination.

As discussed above, that'll at least break our qtests.  But frankly
speaking I think that's the right thing to do..  I hope libvirt always
works with "defer" and never update any caps/params after QMP
migrate_incoming.

So I wonder if I should continue with above patch, and then fix our qtests.
Your work from the other "merge caps+params" might also work here,
actually, if we make sure everything will be set alone with the QMP
migrate_incoming single command.

Let me know your initial thoughts, then I'll see what I can do..

Thanks,

> 
> One example:
> 
> -- >8 --
> From 99bd88aa0a8b6d4e7c52196f25d344a2800b3d89 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 17:21:20 -0300
> Subject: [PATCH] tmp
> 
> ---
>  tests/qtest/migration/precopy-tests.c | 8 ++++++++
>  1 file changed, 8 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/tests/qtest/migration/precopy-tests.c b/tests/qtest/migration/precopy-tests.c
> index aca7ed51ef..3f1a2870ee 100644
> --- a/tests/qtest/migration/precopy-tests.c
> +++ b/tests/qtest/migration/precopy-tests.c
> @@ -158,6 +158,13 @@ static int new_rdma_link(char *buffer, bool ipv6)
>      return -1;
>  }
>  
> +static void *migrate_rdma_set_caps(QTestState *from, QTestState *to)
> +{
> +    migrate_set_capability(to, "mapped-ram", true);
> +
> +    return NULL;
> +}
> +
>  static void __test_precopy_rdma_plain(MigrateCommon *args, bool ipv6)
>  {
>      char buffer[128] = {};
> @@ -185,6 +192,7 @@ static void __test_precopy_rdma_plain(MigrateCommon *args, bool ipv6)
>  
>      args->listen_uri = uri;
>      args->connect_uri = uri;
> +    args->start_hook = migrate_rdma_set_caps;
>  
>      test_precopy_common(args);
>  }
> -- 
> 2.51.0
> 

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-12 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-22 19:25 [PATCH 00/13] migration: Threadify loadvm process Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 01/13] io: Add qio_channel_wait_cond() helper Peter Xu
2025-10-23 13:02   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-24 12:00   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 02/13] migration: Properly wait on G_IO_IN when peeking messages Peter Xu
2025-10-23 13:07   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-24 12:02   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-10-28 18:16     ` Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 03/13] migration/rdma: Fix wrong context in qio_channel_rdma_shutdown() Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 04/13] migration/rdma: Allow qemu_rdma_wait_comp_channel work with thread Peter Xu
2025-10-23 13:41   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-11-03  7:26   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 05/13] migration/rdma: Change io_create_watch() to return immediately Peter Xu
2025-11-03  7:32   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 06/13] migration: Introduce WITH_BQL_HELD() / WITH_BQL_RELEASED() Peter Xu
2025-10-28 13:27   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 07/13] migration: Pass in bql_held information from qemu_loadvm_state() Peter Xu
2025-10-28 14:22   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-12-10 22:01     ` Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 08/13] migration: Thread-ify precopy vmstate load process Peter Xu
2025-11-04  2:40   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-12-10 22:06     ` Peter Xu
2026-01-08 20:27   ` Fabiano Rosas
2026-01-12 15:50     ` Peter Xu [this message]
2026-01-12 19:04       ` Fabiano Rosas
2026-01-12 21:07         ` Peter Xu
2026-01-13 13:04           ` Fabiano Rosas
2026-01-13 16:49             ` Peter Xu
2026-01-16 21:48               ` Fabiano Rosas
2026-01-20 16:40                 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-20 18:54                   ` Fabiano Rosas
2026-01-20 20:12                     ` Peter Xu
2026-01-17 13:57   ` Lukas Straub
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 09/13] migration/rdma: Remove coroutine path in qemu_rdma_wait_comp_channel Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 10/13] migration/postcopy: Remove workaround on wait preempt channel Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 11/13] migration/ram: Remove workaround on ram yield during load Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 12/13] migration: Allow blocking mode for incoming live migration Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:26 ` [PATCH 13/13] migration/vfio: Drop BQL dependency for loadvm SWITCHOVER_START Peter Xu
2025-10-22 19:29 ` [PATCH 00/13] migration: Threadify loadvm process Peter Xu
2026-01-17 14:00 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-20 16:43   ` Peter Xu

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