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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
Cc: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,  rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, kas@kernel.org,  tabba@google.com,
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	 francescolavra.fl@gmail.com, jgross@suse.com,
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	xiaoyao.li@intel.com, kai.huang@intel.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:26:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWkVLViKBgiVGgaI@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWhFwzlqqrnBLLiK@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com>

On Thu, Jan 15, 2026, Yan Zhao wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 07:26:44AM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Ok, with the disclaimer that I hadn't actually looked at the patches in this
> > series before now...
> > 
> > TDX absolutely should not be doing _anything_ with folios.  I am *very* strongly
> > opposed to TDX assuming that memory is backed by refcounted "struct page", and
> > thus can use folios to glean the maximum mapping size.
> > 
> > guest_memfd is _the_ owner of that information.  guest_memfd needs to explicitly
> > _tell_ the rest of KVM what the maximum mapping size is; arch code should not
> > infer that size from a folio.
> > 
> > And that code+behavior already exists in the form of kvm_gmem_mapping_order() and
> > its users, _and_ is plumbed all the way into tdx_mem_page_aug() as @level.  IIUC,
> > the _only_ reason tdx_mem_page_aug() retrieves the page+folio is because
> > tdx_clflush_page() ultimately requires a "struct page".  That is absolutely
> > ridiculous and not acceptable.  CLFLUSH takes a virtual address, there is *zero*
> > reason tdh_mem_page_aug() needs to require/assume a struct page.
> Not really.
> 
> Per my understanding, tdx_mem_page_aug() requires "struct page" (and checks
> folios for huge pages) because the SEAMCALL wrapper APIs are not currently built
> into KVM. Since they may have callers other than KVM, some sanity checking in
> case the caller does something incorrect seems necessary (e.g., in case the
> caller provides an out-of-range struct page or a page with !pfn_valid() PFN).

As a mentioned in my reply to Dave, I don't object to reasonable sanity checks.

> This is similar to "VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO(!folio_test_large(folio), folio)" in
> __folio_split().

No, it's not.  __folio_split() is verifying that the input for the exact one thing
it's doing, splitting a huge folio, matches what the function is being asked to do.

TDX requiring guest_memfd to back everything with struct page, and to only use
single, huge folios to map hugepages into the guest is making completely unnecessary
about guest_memfd and KVM MMU implementation details.

> With tdx_mem_page_aug() ensuring pages validity and contiguity,

It absolutely does not.

 - If guest_memfd unmaps the direct map[*], CLFLUSH will fault and panic the
   kernel.
 - If the PFN isn't backed by struct page, tdx_mem_page_aug() will hit a NULL
   pointer deref.
 - If the PFN is back by struct page, but the page is managed by something other
   than guest_memfd or core MM, all bets are off.

[*] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260114134510.1835-1-kalyazin@amazon.com

> invoking local static function tdx_clflush_page() page-per-page looks good to
> me.  Alternatively, we could convert tdx_clflush_page() to
> tdx_clflush_cache_range(), which receives VA.
> 
> However, I'm not sure if my understanding is correct now, especially since it
> seems like everyone thinks the SEAMCALL wrapper APIs should trust the caller,
> assuming they are KVM-specific.

It's all kernel code.  Implying that KVM is somehow untrusted is absurd.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-15 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 10:16 [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 21:08   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07  9:12     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:05         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-08 19:24           ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 16:21             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09  3:08         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 18:29           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  2:41             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:50               ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  1:48                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  1:00   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16  8:35     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:10       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 11:22         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  6:18           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  6:15         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:22   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  5:55     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/24] x86/tdx: Introduce tdx_quirk_reset_folio() to reset private " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 05/24] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 06/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  7:54     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-26 16:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27  3:40         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 19:51           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 07/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Introduce split_external_spte() under write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 08/24] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/24] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 12:25   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 23:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:28       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  8:35         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  8:49           ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 10:11             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:40               ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:06                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 12:32                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:36                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 17:51         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:27           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 17:57       ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-20 18:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:33           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:51             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/24] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/24] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/24] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  0:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  6:42     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/24] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/24] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/24] KVM: TDX: Get/Put DPAMT page pair only when mapping size is 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add loud warning when tdx_pamt_put() fails Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/24] KVM: x86: Introduce per-VM external cache for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-21  1:54   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-21 17:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 19:39       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 23:01       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:03       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22  7:30         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:49           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 10:33             ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/24] KVM: TDX: Implement per-VM external cache for splitting in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for the new S-EPT page for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 22/24] x86/tdx: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for guest private memory to demote Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:52   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:11     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 23/24] x86/tdx: Pass guest memory's PFN info to demote for updating pamt_refcount Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 24/24] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 21:26   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 21:38     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 22:04       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 23:43         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-07  9:03           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-08 20:11             ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-09  9:18               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 16:12                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 17:16                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 18:07                   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  1:39                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12  2:12                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 19:56                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-13  6:10                           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:40                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  9:32                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 19:22           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07 20:27             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-12 20:15           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14  0:33             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14  1:24               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14  9:23                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 15:26                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 18:45                     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15  3:08                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 18:13                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 18:56                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  0:19                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 15:45                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 16:31                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:58                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-19  5:53                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-30 15:32                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03  9:18                                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 17:01                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:57                         ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 17:14                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 17:45                             ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 19:59                               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 22:25                                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  1:41                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 16:26                       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-01-16  0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 11:25   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 14:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:25       ` Yan Zhao

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