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From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Jacob Keller <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>,
	Yeking@red54.com, kuba@kernel.org,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Dwaipayan Ray <dwaipayanray1@gmail.com>,
	Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tech-board-discuss@lists.linux.dev,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add short author date to Fixes tag
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2026 15:08:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aZ9WxFBEBub9uOS1@laps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aZ4_sBIy8rOUL59Q@devuan>

On Wed, Feb 25, 2026 at 01:56:02AM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>Steven wrote (Fri, 10 Jan 2025 08:03:31 -0500):
>> How can it lead to misjudgment? If you have two or more hashes matching, do
>> you really think they'll have the same subjects?
>
>The possibility isn't zero.  Statistically, it's quite low.  However,
>it's non-zero.
>
>$ git log --format=tformat:'%s' | sort | uniq -c | sort | tail
>    248 Merge branch 'perf-urgent-for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip
>    263 Merge git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net-2.6
>    275 Merge branch 'x86-urgent-for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip
>    293 Merge tag 'arm64-fixes' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/arm64/linux
>    314 Merge branch 'akpm' (patches from Andrew)
>    315 Merge git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/netdev/net
>    318 Merge tag 'scsi-fixes' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jejb/scsi
>    324 Merge branch 'for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dtor/input
>    369 Merge tag 'for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm
>    670 Merge git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/davem/net
>$ git log --format=tformat:'%s' | grep -v ^Merge | sort | uniq -c | sort | tail
>grep: (standard input): binary file matches
>     22 drm/amd/display: Clean up some inconsistent indenting
>     25 Auto-update from upstream
>     26 [ARM] Update mach-types
>     26 pmdomain: Merge branch fixes into next
>     30 s390: update defconfigs
>     32 tools arch x86: Sync the msr-index.h copy with the kernel sources
>     38 [SPARC64]: Update defconfig.
>     52 mmc: Merge branch fixes into next
>     59 drm/i915: Convert wait_for(I915_READ(reg)) to intel_wait_for_register()
>     62 batman-adv: Start new development cycle
>
>Subjects repeat every now and then, and the entropy in some subjects is
>actually quite low.
>
>If you include the commit date in a Fixes tag, then you preclude the
>entire possibility of a commit reference clash, because you won't have
>two patches committed in the same date with the same subject and same
>hash (unless you *really* try)

The probability of a collision where two commits share both the same
abbreviated SHA1 and the same subject line is so astronomically low that it's
not a realistic concern.

For context, Linus himself pushed back on merely extending the 12-character
SHA1 abbreviation to 13. A change that wouldn't even break existing scripts.
Yet the proposal here is to introduce an entirely new date parameter that's
incompatible with the current format, all to address a scenario that is
unlikely in practice.

-- 
Thanks,
Sasha

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-25 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-25  0:56 [PATCH] Add short author date to Fixes tag Alejandro Colomar
2026-02-25  0:57 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-02-25 18:00 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-02-25 18:20   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-02-25 19:47     ` James Bottomley
2026-02-25 21:23     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-02-25 21:45       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-02-25 22:35         ` Theodore Tso
2026-02-25 23:27         ` Sasha Levin
2026-02-25 23:46         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-02-26  0:20           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-02-26  7:50     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-02-25 20:08 ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2026-02-26  0:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-02-26 23:24   ` Jacob Keller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-01-10 11:53 [PATCH net v3] net: ethernet: sunplus: Switch to ndo_eth_ioctl Yeking
2025-01-10 12:20 ` [PATCH] Add short author date to Fixes tag Yeking
2025-01-10 12:32   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-10 13:03   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-11  0:21     ` Jacob Keller
2025-01-11  5:48       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-11 17:09       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-12 10:54         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-01-13 14:51           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-13 15:08             ` Mark Brown

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