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From: Bert Karwatzki <spasswolf@web.de>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet	 <edumazet@google.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, spasswolf@web.de
Subject: Re: "Dead loop on virtual device" error without softirq-BKL on PREEMPT_RT
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 20:10:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa02f39ec4640c9d98963f42121b76e59b58371d.camel@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2369ba83d204290dcfe157aed3f943206213b979.camel@web.de>

Am Dienstag, dem 17.02.2026 um 17:52 +0100 schrieb Bert Karwatzki:
> Am Dienstag, dem 17.02.2026 um 12:24 +0100 schrieb Bert Karwatzki:
> > Am Dienstag, dem 17.02.2026 um 11:42 +0100 schrieb Bert Karwatzki:
> > > 
> > > I just wondered if we can completely skip the
> > > 
> > > 	if (READ_ONCE(txq->xmit_lock_owner) != cpu) {
> > > 		[...]
> > > 	} else 
> > > 	{
> > > 		/* "Recursion" alert */
> > > 	}
> > >  
> > > check, as the synchronization will we provided by HARD_TX_{LOCK,UNLOCK}.
> > > 
> > 
> > I thought about that again, and it seems like a bad idea as (in the non-preempt) case
> > other threads trying to access the queue would wait for the spinlock to be freed, perhaps
> > one can just change the code like this:
> 
> My argument above seems wrong: In the non-preempt case we cannot have another thread accessing the txq
> from the same CPU if the lock is taken (it is not preemptible) and for other threads
> accessing the txq from different CPUs the check (txq->xmit_lock_owner != cpu) would succeed
> and they would try the spinlock anyway, So this would not speak against killing the lock owner
> check. As for the recursion detection, perhaps dev_xmit_recursion() is enough?

I tried to research the original commit which introduced the xmit_lock_owner check, but
it is present since linux 2.3.6 (released 19990610) (when __dev_queue_xmit() was still called dev_queue_xmit()),
so I can't tell the original idea behind that check (perhaps recuesion detection ...), so I'm
not completely sure if it can be omitted (and just let dev_xmit_recursion() do the recursion checking).

Bert Karwatzki

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-16 13:43 "Dead loop on virtual device" error without softirq-BKL on PREEMPT_RT Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-16 15:32 ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-16 15:37   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-16 23:48     ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-17  7:19       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-17  8:56         ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-17  9:57           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-17 10:42             ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-17 11:24               ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-17 16:52                 ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-17 19:10                   ` Bert Karwatzki [this message]
2026-02-18  7:30                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-18 12:50                       ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-26 17:29                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 10:30                           ` Daniel Vacek
2026-03-18 11:18                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 14:43                               ` Daniel Vacek
2026-03-18 14:51                                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 14:58                                   ` Daniel Vacek
2026-04-01 16:55                                   ` Daniel Vacek
2026-04-02  7:03                                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-04-02  7:50                                       ` Daniel Vacek
2026-04-02  8:31                                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-04-02  9:21                                           ` Daniel Vacek
2026-04-02 13:46                                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-04-02 13:58                                               ` Daniel Vacek

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