From: Li Wang <liwang@redhat.com>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: "Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
"Roman Gushchin" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
"Shakeel Butt" <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
"Muchun Song" <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>, "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
"Sean Christopherson" <seanjc@google.com>,
"James Houghton" <jthoughton@google.com>,
"Sebastian Chlad" <sebastianchlad@gmail.com>,
"Guopeng Zhang" <zhangguopeng@kylinos.cn>,
"Li Wang" <liwan@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] memcg: Scale up vmstats flush threshold with log2(nums_possible_cpus)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 18:40:00 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ab0kAE7mJkEL9kWb@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260319173752.1472864-2-longman@redhat.com>
On Thu, Mar 19, 2026 at 01:37:46PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
> The vmstats flush threshold currently increases linearly with the
> number of online CPUs. As the number of CPUs increases over time, it
> will become increasingly difficult to meet the threshold and update the
> vmstats data in a timely manner. These days, systems with hundreds of
> CPUs or even thousands of them are becoming more common.
>
> For example, the test_memcg_sock test of test_memcontrol always fails
> when running on an arm64 system with 128 CPUs. It is because the
> threshold is now 64*128 = 8192. With 4k page size, it needs changes in
> 32 MB of memory. It will be even worse with larger page size like 64k.
>
> To make the output of memory.stat more correct, it is better to
> scale up the threshold logarithmically instead of linearly with the
> number of CPUs. With the log2 scale, we can use the possibly larger
> num_possible_cpus() instead of num_online_cpus() which may change at
> run time.
>
> Although there is supposed to be a periodic and asynchronous flush of
> vmstats every 2 seconds, the actual time lag between succesive runs
> can actually vary quite a bit. In fact, I have seen time lags of up
> to 10s of seconds in some cases. So we couldn't too rely on the hope
> that there will be an asynchronous vmstats flush every 2 seconds. This
> may be something we need to look into.
>
> Signed-off-by: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
> ---
> mm/memcontrol.c | 17 ++++++++++++-----
> 1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
> index 772bac21d155..8d4ede72f05c 100644
> --- a/mm/memcontrol.c
> +++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
> @@ -548,20 +548,20 @@ struct memcg_vmstats {
> * rstat update tree grow unbounded.
> *
> * 2) Flush the stats synchronously on reader side only when there are more than
> - * (MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH * nr_cpus) update events. Though this optimization
> - * will let stats be out of sync by atmost (MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH * nr_cpus) but
> - * only for 2 seconds due to (1).
> + * (MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH * (ilog2(nr_cpus) + 1)) update events. Though this
> + * optimization will let stats be out of sync by up to that amount but only
> + * for 2 seconds due to (1).
> */
> static void flush_memcg_stats_dwork(struct work_struct *w);
> static DECLARE_DEFERRABLE_WORK(stats_flush_dwork, flush_memcg_stats_dwork);
> static u64 flush_last_time;
> +static int vmstats_flush_threshold __ro_after_init;
>
> #define FLUSH_TIME (2UL*HZ)
>
> static bool memcg_vmstats_needs_flush(struct memcg_vmstats *vmstats)
> {
> - return atomic_read(&vmstats->stats_updates) >
> - MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH * num_online_cpus();
> + return atomic_read(&vmstats->stats_updates) > vmstats_flush_threshold;
> }
>
> static inline void memcg_rstat_updated(struct mem_cgroup *memcg, int val,
> @@ -5191,6 +5191,13 @@ int __init mem_cgroup_init(void)
>
> memcg_pn_cachep = KMEM_CACHE(mem_cgroup_per_node,
> SLAB_PANIC | SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN);
> + /*
> + * Logarithmically scale up vmstats flush threshold with the number
> + * of CPUs.
> + * N.B. ilog2(1) = 0.
> + */
> + vmstats_flush_threshold = MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH *
> + (ilog2(num_possible_cpus()) + 1);
Changing the threashold from linearly to logarithmically looks smarter,
but my concern is that, on large systems (hundreds/thousands of CPUs),
the threshold drops dramatically.
For example, 1024 CPUs it goes from 65536 (256MB) to only 704 (2.7MB),
that's almost 100x. Could this potentially raise a performance issue
as frequently read 'memory.stat' on a heavily loaded system?
Maybe go with MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH * int_sqrt(num_possible_cpus()),
which sits between linear and log2?
--
Regards,
Li Wang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-20 10:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-19 17:37 [PATCH 0/7] selftests: memcg: Fix test_memcontrol test failures with large page sizes Waiman Long
2026-03-19 17:37 ` [PATCH 1/7] memcg: Scale up vmstats flush threshold with log2(nums_possible_cpus) Waiman Long
2026-03-20 10:40 ` Li Wang [this message]
2026-03-20 13:19 ` Waiman Long
2026-03-19 17:37 ` [PATCH 2/7] memcg: Scale down MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH with increase in PAGE_SIZE Waiman Long
2026-03-20 11:26 ` Li Wang
2026-03-20 13:20 ` Waiman Long
2026-03-19 17:37 ` [PATCH 3/7] selftests: memcg: Iterate pages based on the actual page size Waiman Long
2026-03-20 11:34 ` Li Wang
2026-03-19 17:37 ` [PATCH 4/7] selftests: memcg: Increase error tolerance in accordance with " Waiman Long
2026-03-19 17:37 ` [PATCH 5/7] selftests: memcg: Reduce the expected swap.peak with larger " Waiman Long
2026-03-19 17:37 ` [PATCH 6/7] selftests: memcg: Don't call reclaim_until() if already in target Waiman Long
2026-03-19 17:37 ` [PATCH 7/7] selftests: memcg: Treat failure for zeroing sock in test_memcg_sock as XFAIL Waiman Long
2026-03-20 2:43 ` [PATCH 0/7] selftests: memcg: Fix test_memcontrol test failures with large page sizes Andrew Morton
2026-03-20 15:56 ` Waiman Long
2026-03-20 20:26 ` Waiman Long
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