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To: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 09/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Add support for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2026 17:36:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <abNcEkNseDEBIhop@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEvNRgFUc+9xCoN9Yo5NThHrvbccWAhPwp9nNM2fvx7QqrcJsg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 12, 2026, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2026, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> >> Hi Ackerley,
> >>
> >> Before getting into the UAPI semantics, thank you for all the heavy
> >> lifting you've done here. Figuring out how to make it all work across
> >> the different platforms is not easy :)
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> > The policy definitions below provide more details:
> >
> > Please drop "CONTENT_POLICY" from the KVM documentation.  From KVM's perspective,
> > these are not "policy", they are purely properties of the underlying memory.
> > Userspace will likely use the attributes to implement policy of some kind, but
> > KVM straight up doesn't care.
> 
> Policy might have been the wrong word. I think this is a property of the
> conversion process/request, not a property of the memory like how
> shared/private is a property of the memory?
> 
> I'll have to find another word to describe this enum of

Or just don't?  I'm 100% serious, because unless we carve out a field _just_ for
these two flags, they're eventually going to get mixed with other stuff.  At that
point, having a precisely named enum container just gets in the way.

> I see you dropped any documentation to do with testing.

Yes.

> I meant to document it (at least something about the unspecified case) so it
> can be relied on in selftests, with the understanding (already specified
> elsewhere in Documentation/virt/kvm/api.rst) that nothing about
> KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM is to be relied on in production, and can be changed
> anytime. What do you think?

KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM should self-report like all other VM types, and shouldn't
support anything that isn't documented as possible.  I.e. we shouldn't allow
ZERO on shared=>private "for testing".

What I do think we should do is scribble memory on conversions without ZERO or
PRIVATE, probably guarded by a Kconfig or maybe a module param, to do a best
effort enforcement of the ABI, i.e. to try and prevent userspace from depending
on uarch/vendor specific behavior.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-13  0:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-02 22:36 [RFC PATCH v2 00/37] guest_memfd: In-place conversion support Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce per-gmem attributes, use to guard user mappings Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/37] KVM: Rename KVM_GENERIC_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES to KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/37] KVM: Enumerate support for PRIVATE memory iff kvm_arch_has_private_mem is defined Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/37] KVM: Stub in ability to disable per-VM memory attribute tracking Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Wire up kvm_get_memory_attributes() to per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Update kvm_gmem_populate() to use gmem attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/37] KVM: Introduce KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Enable INIT_SHARED on guest_memfd for x86 Coco VMs Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Add support for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 Ackerley Tng
2026-02-14 20:09   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-02-17 23:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-19 12:43     ` Fuad Tabba
2026-02-24 10:14     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-02-25 11:00       ` Fuad Tabba
2026-02-26  4:16         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-02-26  8:11           ` Fuad Tabba
2026-03-12  5:44     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-03-12 15:12       ` Fuad Tabba
2026-03-12 15:44         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-03-12 21:59           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-03-13  0:36             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-03-13  8:32               ` Fuad Tabba
2026-03-13  8:31             ` Fuad Tabba
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/37] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle lru_add fbatch refcounts during conversion safety check Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/37] KVM: Move KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES config definition to x86 Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/37] KVM: Let userspace disable per-VM mem attributes, enable per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/37] KVM: selftests: Create gmem fd before "regular" fd when adding memslot Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/37] KVM: selftests: Rename guest_memfd{,_offset} to gmem_{fd,offset} Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/37] KVM: selftests: Add support for mmap() on guest_memfd in core library Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/37] KVM: selftests: Add selftests global for guest memory attributes capability Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/37] KVM: selftests: Update framework to use KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/37] KVM: selftests: Add helpers for calling ioctls on guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/37] KVM: selftests: Test using guest_memfd for guest private memory Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/37] KVM: selftests: Test basic single-page conversion flow Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:29 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/37] KVM: selftests: Test conversion flow when INIT_SHARED Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/37] KVM: selftests: Test indexing in guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/37] KVM: selftests: Test conversion before allocation Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/37] KVM: selftests: Convert with allocated folios in different layouts Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/37] KVM: selftests: Test precision of conversion Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/37] KVM: selftests: Test that truncation does not change shared/private status Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/37] KVM: selftests: Test that shared/private status is consistent across processes Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 28/37] KVM: selftests: Test conversion with elevated page refcount Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 29/37] KVM: selftests: Reset shared memory after hole-punching Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 30/37] KVM: selftests: Provide function to look up guest_memfd details from gpa Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 31/37] KVM: selftests: Provide common function to set memory attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 32/37] KVM: selftests: Check fd/flags provided to mmap() when setting up memslot Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 33/37] KVM: selftests: Make TEST_EXPECT_SIGBUS thread-safe Ackerley Tng
2026-02-14 19:49   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 34/37] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test to mmap() guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 35/37] KVM: selftests: Add script to exercise private_mem_conversions_test Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 36/37] KVM: selftests: Update pre-fault test to work with per-guest_memfd attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-02-02 22:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 37/37] KVM: selftests: Update private memory exits test work with per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng
2026-02-20  9:09 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/37] guest_memfd: In-place conversion support Lisa Wang

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