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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	 Vishal L Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>,  "bp@alien8.de" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"kas@kernel.org" <kas@kernel.org>,
	 "mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"tglx@kernel.org" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	 "pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 "linux-coco@lists.linux.dev" <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] x86/virt/tdx: Pull kexec cache flush logic into arch/x86
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2026 11:12:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac1f9KntTv0SaktS@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <76F29857-47D8-470B-9F4D-DD98D8755EB0@zytor.com>

On Wed, Apr 01, 2026, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On April 1, 2026 8:03:02 AM PDT, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
> >On 3/31/26 16:04, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >> But unless the WBINVD is actually costly, why bother getting fancy?
> >
> >WBINVD might be the most expensive single instruction in the whole ISA.
> >
> >That said, I'd much rather have a potentially unnecessary WBINVD than
> >miss one. The thing I'd be worried about would be something wonky like:
> >
> >	1. CPU offline does WBINVD
> >	2. Some other TDX call gets made, dirties caches again
> >	3. tdx_offline_cpu() skips WBINVD
> >
> >So, let's just do both for now: Do WBINVD in tdx_offline_cpu() and
> >comment that it might be redundant with other things in the CPU offline
> >procedure.
> >
> >This really needs to be solved with infrastructure and keeping data
> >about the reasons for needing WBINVD, not relying on code ordering or
> >fragile semantics.
> 
> It is, *by far*, the most expensive *uninterruptible* instruction in the ISA.
> REP string instructions can of course be arbitrarily long, but are
> interruptible and so don't really count.
> 
> Some MSRs used during very early (pre-OS) initialization might be even slower
> on some implementations, but that's not visible to Linux and no workload of
> any kind is running.

Sorry, "costly" wasn't the right word.  I know WBINVD super expensive, but unless
someone cares deeply about the latency of offlining a CPU after its down TDX stuff,
the "cost" is effectively zero.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-01 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-23 20:59 [PATCH v2 0/5] Fuller TDX kexec support Vishal Verma
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] x86/tdx: Move all TDX error defines into <asm/shared/tdx_errno.h> Vishal Verma
2026-03-24  9:49   ` Chao Gao
2026-03-31 19:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-03-31 21:46     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] x86/virt/tdx: Pull kexec cache flush logic into arch/x86 Vishal Verma
2026-03-24 10:03   ` Chao Gao
2026-03-30 11:42   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-31 19:22   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-03-31 22:21     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-03-31 23:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-03-31 23:29         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-04-01 15:03         ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-01 17:42           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-01 18:12             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-04-01 18:30               ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper for TDH.SYS.DISABLE Vishal Verma
2026-03-23 21:54   ` Verma, Vishal L
2026-03-23 22:40   ` Huang, Kai
2026-03-24 10:18   ` Chao Gao
2026-03-30 11:58   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-30 19:25     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-03-31 12:18       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-31 18:22         ` Verma, Vishal L
2026-03-31 21:36           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-04-01  9:26             ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-04-01 14:24             ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] x86/tdx: Disable the TDX module during kexec and kdump Vishal Verma
2026-03-23 22:41   ` Huang, Kai
2026-03-30 12:03   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] x86/virt/tdx: Remove kexec docs Vishal Verma
2026-03-23 22:41   ` Huang, Kai
2026-03-30 12:04   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-04-22 12:45 ` [PATCH] x86/tdx, KVM: fix HKID leak when kexec is initiated with active TDs Nowicki, Robert
2026-04-22 13:14   ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found]     ` <CH3PR11MB843450CBD154D42B31D15E93832D2@CH3PR11MB8434.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
2026-04-22 13:34       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-22 14:29     ` Edgecombe, Rick P

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