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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, will@kernel.org,
	peterz@infradead.org, mark.rutland@arm.com, harisokn@amazon.com,
	cl@gentwo.org, ast@kernel.org, rafael@kernel.org,
	daniel.lezcano@linaro.org, memxor@gmail.com,
	zhenglifeng1@huawei.com, xueshuai@linux.alibaba.com,
	rdunlap@infradead.org, joao.m.martins@oracle.com,
	boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 00/12] barrier: Add smp_cond_load_{relaxed,acquire}_timeout()
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2026 15:55:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acQFaVR_bGZU2JmJ@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260316233712.7cbfac27@pumpkin>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 11:37:12PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 15:08:07 -0700
> Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com> wrote:
> > However, as David Laight pointed out in this thread
> > (https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20260214113122.70627a8b@pumpkin/)
> > that this would be fine so long as the polling is on memory, but would
> > need some work to handle MMIO.
> 
> I'm not sure the current code works with MMIO on arm64.

It won't but also passing an MMIO pointer to smp_cond_load() is wrong in
general. You'd need a new API that takes an __iomem pointer.

> I was looking at the osq_lock() code, it uses smp_cond_load() with 'expr'
> being 'VAL || need_resched()' expecting to get woken by the IPI associated
> with the preemption being requested.
> But the arm64 code relies on 'wfe' being woken when the memory write
> 'breaks' the 'ldx' for the monitored location.
> That will only work for cached addresses.

Even worse, depending on the hardware, you may even get a data abort
when attempting LDXR on Device memory.

> For osq_lock(), while an IPI will wake it up, there is also a small timing
> window where the IPI can happen before the ldx and so not actually wake up it.
> This is true whenever 'expr' is non-trivial.

Hmm, I thought this is fine because of the implicit SEVL on exception
return but the arm64 __cmpwait_relaxed() does a SEVL+WFE which clears
any prior event, it can wait in theory forever when the event stream is
disabled.

Expanding smp_cond_load_relaxed() into asm, we have something like:

	LDR	X0, [PTR]
	condition check for VAL || need_resched() with branch out
	SEVL
	WFE
	LDXR	X1, [PTR]
	EOR	X1, X1, X0
	CBNZ	out
	WFE
  out:

If the condition is updated to become true (need_resched()) after the
condition check but before the first WFE while *PTR remains unchanged,
the IPI won't do anything. Maybe we should revert 1cfc63b5ae60 ("arm64:
cmpwait: Clear event register before arming exclusive monitor"). Not
great but probably better than reverting f5bfdc8e3947 ("locking/osq: Use
optimized spinning loop for arm64")).

Using SEV instead of IPI would have the same problem.

-- 
Catalin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-03-25 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-16  1:36 [PATCH v10 00/12] barrier: Add smp_cond_load_{relaxed,acquire}_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 01/12] asm-generic: barrier: Add smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 02/12] arm64: barrier: Support smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 03/12] arm64/delay: move some constants out to a separate header Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 04/12] arm64: support WFET in smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-04-01 10:44   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-04-01 22:31     ` Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 05/12] arm64: rqspinlock: Remove private copy of smp_cond_load_acquire_timewait() Ankur Arora
2026-03-24  1:41   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-25  5:58     ` Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 06/12] asm-generic: barrier: Add smp_cond_load_acquire_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 07/12] atomic: Add atomic_cond_read_*_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 08/12] locking/atomic: scripts: build atomic_long_cond_read_*_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 09/12] bpf/rqspinlock: switch check_timeout() to a clock interface Ankur Arora
2026-03-24  1:43   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-25  5:57     ` Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 10/12] bpf/rqspinlock: Use smp_cond_load_acquire_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-03-24  1:46   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 11/12] sched: add need-resched timed wait interface Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:36 ` [PATCH v10 12/12] cpuidle/poll_state: Wait for need-resched via tif_need_resched_relaxed_wait() Ankur Arora
2026-03-16  1:49 ` [PATCH v10 00/12] barrier: Add smp_cond_load_{relaxed,acquire}_timeout() Andrew Morton
2026-03-16 22:08   ` Ankur Arora
2026-03-16 23:37     ` David Laight
2026-03-17  6:53       ` Ankur Arora
2026-03-17  9:17         ` David Laight
2026-03-25 13:53           ` Catalin Marinas
2026-03-25 15:42             ` David Laight
2026-03-25 16:32               ` Catalin Marinas
2026-03-25 20:23                 ` David Laight
2026-03-26 15:39                   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-03-25 15:55       ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2026-03-25 19:36         ` David Laight
2026-04-02  7:01 ` Ankur Arora
2026-04-03 16:12 ` [PATCH v10 00/12] barrier: Add smp_cond_load_{relaxed, acquire}_timeout() Okanovic, Haris

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