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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>,
	Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/12] io_uring: Use helper function hrtimer_update_function()
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 10:46:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ad55978e-4356-494e-8cda-9e6487344768@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h656n3r6.ffs@tglx>

On 2/6/25 2:48 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06 2025 at 13:05, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 2/6/25 9:18 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 05 2025 at 11:45, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>> On 2/5/25 3:55 AM, Nam Cao wrote:
>>>>> diff --git a/io_uring/io_uring.c b/io_uring/io_uring.c
>>>>> index ceacf6230e34..936f8b4106cf 100644
>>>>> --- a/io_uring/io_uring.c
>>>>> +++ b/io_uring/io_uring.c
>>>>> @@ -2421,7 +2421,7 @@ static enum hrtimer_restart io_cqring_min_timer_wakeup(struct hrtimer *timer)
>>>>>  			goto out_wake;
>>>>>  	}
>>>>>  
>>>>> -	iowq->t.function = io_cqring_timer_wakeup;
>>>>> +	hrtimer_update_function(&iowq->t, io_cqring_timer_wakeup);
>>>>>  	hrtimer_set_expires(timer, iowq->timeout);
>>>>>  	return HRTIMER_RESTART;
>>>>>  out_wake:
>>>>
>>>> The timer is known expired here, it's inside the callback. Is this
>>>> really necessary or useful?
>>>
>>> It's not strictly required here, but in the end this allows to make the
>>> .function member private, which prevents stupid code fiddling with it
>>> without proper sanity checks in the debug case.
>>
>> While that makes sense, this is also a potentially hot path for min
>> timeout usage, which with small timeouts for batch/latency reasons
>> can be run tens of thousand times per second. Adding a lock and IRQ
>> dance would be counter productive.
> 
> I fundamentally hate the fact that C does not enforce encapsulation in
> the first place. :)
> 
>> How about we just add a comment on why this is fine, rather than
> 
> Comments are the worst of a solution as you know.

Sure I don't disagree - this is just my way of attempting to be nice and
suggest alternatives, as I don't like this patch.

>> slow down a case that's perfectly fine by wrapping it in something
>> much more expensive than a simple memory write? Or perhaps have
>> a basic helper to set it that doesn't do the unnecessary irq lock
>> guard? That would still allow you to make .function private.
> 
> The right solution is to add a hotpath helper, which falls back to the
> more expensive variant with some anyway expensive debug option, or make
> the expensive part of hrtimer_update_function() depend on that debug
> option in the first place and otherwise fall back to a simple store.
> 
> The latter is the right thing to do. Let me fix that up in mainline.

Yep exactly, this is the way. Thanks!

-- 
Jens Axboe

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-07 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-05 10:55 [PATCH v2 00/12] Consolidate hrtimer initialization - Part 5 Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] hrtimers: Delete hrtimer_init() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] hrtimers: Switch to use __htimer_setup() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] hrtimers: Merge __hrtimer_init() into __hrtimer_setup() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] serial: xilinx_uartps: Use helper function hrtimer_update_function() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] io_uring: " Nam Cao
2025-02-05 18:45   ` Jens Axboe
2025-02-06 16:18     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-06 20:05       ` Jens Axboe
2025-02-06 21:48         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-07 17:46           ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2025-02-07 21:16             ` [PATCH] hrtimers: Make hrtimer_update_function() less expensive Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-08 15:18               ` Jens Axboe
2025-02-10 19:52                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-10 19:56                   ` Jens Axboe
2025-02-10 20:05               ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] wifi: rt2x00: Switch to use hrtimer_update_function() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] hrtimers: Make callback function pointer private Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] hrtimers: Remove unnecessary NULL check in hrtimer_start_range_ns() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] hrtimers: Rename __hrtimer_init_sleeper() to __hrtimer_setup_sleeper() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] hrtimers: Rename debug_init() to debug_setup() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] hrtimers: Rename debug_init_on_stack() to debug_setup_on_stack() Nam Cao
2025-02-05 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] tracing/timers: Rename hrtimer_init event to hrtimer_setup Nam Cao

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