From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
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Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2026 12:56:31 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <adU3P9fk8h-AmEp4@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adTonuzmUc2AzUhp@lucifer>
On Tue, Apr 07, 2026 at 12:36:36PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> >
> > And the current code structure makes it difficult to whittle down the
> > differences methodically.
> >
> > IMO modularization is the best path forward. Giving people the ability
> > to experiment with a la carte combinations of features would make it
> > much easier to actually production test and prove individual ideas.
>
...
>
> In a possibly, fantasy ideal world scenario *puffs on dream pipe*, it'd be
> amazing to somehow isolate the reclaim code in such a way that we could
> instrument it for testing purposes.
>
> E.g. if it could be invoked from userland, or UML, or _something_ and then
> faked out to have a certain configuration of X NUMA nodes and Y GB of RAM
> with Z processes competing with total observability of what's happening in
> the algorithm that could allow for really robust controllable testing and
> regression tests, as well as possibly some form of fuzzing for broken
> reclaim scenarios.
>
> *Puts dream pipe down*
*picks up the pipe*
At risk of being shot - this kind of stubbing / functional testing is
somewhat trivial work these days via <pick your favorite LLM> with
reasonably well designed interfaces.
( read: probably not with the current api n_n;; ).
So to get there, we'd need to agree on the refactor work and interfaces
that make it possible to model the scenarios outside a running kernel.
If we do actually want to move the core to look like:
- vmscan.c : core library
- lru.c : standard lru
- mglru.c : mglru
Might as well consider the functional testing question as well as we
decide what those interfaces look like anyway.
*throws the pipe into the bikeshed*
~Gregory
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-07 16:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-25 21:06 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext) Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 0:10 ` T.J. Mercier
2026-03-26 2:05 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-26 7:03 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 8:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:37 ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:42 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-26 13:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 20:02 ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-26 20:30 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 20:47 ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-27 3:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-27 19:12 ` Tal Zussman
2026-03-27 19:43 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-14 21:11 ` Tal Zussman
2026-04-09 0:21 ` John Hubbard
2026-04-09 8:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-14 21:38 ` Tal Zussman
2026-04-14 20:35 ` Tal Zussman
2026-03-27 8:07 ` [Lsf-pc] " Vlastimil Babka
2026-03-27 9:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:06 ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 12:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:17 ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:21 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 7:12 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 13:44 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 15:24 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 18:21 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 7:18 ` wangzicheng
2026-03-26 11:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 15:24 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 15:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:32 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 16:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 19:53 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-04-07 11:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-07 16:56 ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-04-07 17:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-07 17:52 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-04-07 18:37 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-08 6:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-03-26 18:49 ` Shakeel Butt
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