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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>
Cc: John Groves <John@groves.net>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V10 00/10] famfs: port into fuse
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2026 02:46:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeHXQ2EW2ivlLb_N@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnrk1ad6t6CJV+xnXwhoNHrHYA3htuaVdDq47FeT60cPBzj7g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 06:24:02PM -0700, Joanne Koong wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 1:14 PM Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net> wrote:
> >
> > I worry that this discussion is going to turn towards implementing a
> > solution grounded in parsing arbitrary formats and how to store them,
> > and that is completely detached from why FAMFS went this route in the
> > first place.
> >
> > I question whether the actual issue here lies in the interface APPEARING
> > more general purpose than it actually is - and therefore inviting
> > attempts to over-genericize it.
> 
> Would you mind clarifying this part? Are you saying that the interface
> and logic is *already* generic and usable for other dax-backed
> servers, just that everything is *named* famfs but it's not really
> famfs specific? 

Yes.

If you just find/replace "famfs" with "dax_iomap", the structures
here don't really seem all *that* crazy specific - they're just
optimized for memory speeds instead of I/O.

There is a circular nature to this - FAMFS figured it out first, in
what we think is a reasonably generic way, but we can't know for sure.

John, Dan, and Darrick have all proposed reasonable ways to hedge
against the obvious fact the interface will not be perfect - which
incorporates your BPF proposal along with a reasonably straight forward
deprecation path that's not always possible in other arenas.

All that while solving a real (and novel) problem.

That's actually pretty damn cool.

I would urge you to consider these proposals earnestly.

~Gregory

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-17  6:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260331123702.35052-1-john@jagalactic.com>
2026-03-31 12:37 ` [PATCH V10 00/10] famfs: port into fuse John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 01/10] famfs_fuse: Update macro s/FUSE_IS_DAX/FUSE_IS_VIRTIO_DAX/ John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 02/10] famfs_fuse: Basic fuse kernel ABI enablement for famfs John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 03/10] famfs_fuse: Plumb the GET_FMAP message/response John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 04/10] famfs_fuse: Create files with famfs fmaps John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 05/10] famfs_fuse: GET_DAXDEV message and daxdev_table John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 06/10] famfs_fuse: Plumb dax iomap and fuse read/write/mmap John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 07/10] famfs_fuse: Add holder_operations for dax notify_failure() John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 08/10] famfs_fuse: Add DAX address_space_operations with noop_dirty_folio John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 09/10] famfs_fuse: Add famfs fmap metadata documentation John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 10/10] famfs_fuse: Add documentation John Groves
2026-04-01 15:15   ` [PATCH V10 00/10] famfs: port into fuse John Groves
2026-04-06 17:43   ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-10 14:46     ` John Groves
2026-04-10 15:24       ` Bernd Schubert
2026-04-10 18:38         ` John Groves
2026-04-10 19:44           ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-14 13:19             ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-04-14 13:41               ` John Groves
2026-04-14 14:18                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-04-14 15:23                   ` John Groves
2026-04-14 18:57                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-14 22:13                   ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-14 23:36                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15  0:10                     ` John Groves
2026-04-16 15:56                       ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-16 20:14                         ` Gregory Price
2026-04-16 20:53                           ` Dan Williams
2026-04-16 22:43                             ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-17  0:44                               ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-17  5:40                                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-17  8:17                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-17 15:58                                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-17  8:13                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-17 13:30                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-17  1:24                           ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-17  6:46                             ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-04-17  9:06                               ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-24 13:33                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-24 14:35                                   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-14 22:20                   ` Gregory Price
2026-04-15  8:16                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-15 13:34                       ` Gregory Price
2026-04-15 14:04                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-04-15 15:10                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 15:28                             ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15 15:32                             ` Gregory Price
2026-04-15 17:12                               ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-15 19:40                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-19 20:36                       ` John Groves
2026-04-20  0:27                         ` Gregory Price
2026-04-21  3:12                           ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-21 14:30                             ` Gregory Price
2026-04-21 18:59                               ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-21 22:13                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-14 23:53                   ` John Groves
2026-04-15  0:15                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15  8:57                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-04-17  8:04               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-17 19:35                 ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-21  6:59                   ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-04 15:08   ` Bernd Schubert

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