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From: Sebastian Ene <sebastianene@google.com>
To: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
Cc: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
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	peterhuewe@gmx.de, jarkko@kernel.org, jgg@ziepe.ca,
	sudeep.holla@kernel.org, maz@kernel.org, oupton@kernel.org,
	joey.gouly@arm.com, suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] firmware: arm_ffa: check pkvm initailised when initailise ffa driver
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:05:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeYypF4lv6LMH2ch@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aeYjiaPtAl7SMVkL@e129823.arm.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Yeoreum Yun wrote:

Hi,

> 
> Hi Sebastian,
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 06:57:59PM +0100, Yeoreum Yun wrote:
> >
> > Hello Yeoreum,
> >
> >
> > > When pKVM is enabled, the FF-A driver must be initialized after pKVM.
> > > Otherwise, pKVM cannot negotiate the FF-A version or
> > > obtain RX/TX buffer information, leading to failures in FF-A calls.
> >
> > At the moment this already happens after you move back ffa_init() to
> > device_initcall().
> 
> How? the kvm_arm_init() is device_initcall() if both built as built-in.
> 
> >
> > >
> > > During FF-A driver initialization, check whether pKVM has been initialized.
> > > If not, defer probing of the FF-A driver.
> > >
> >
> > I don't think you need to add this dependency. pKVM is
> > installed through KVM's module_init() which ends up calling hyp_ffa_init() to
> > do the proxy initialization. The ARM-FFA driver comes after it (since
> > pKVM is arch specific code). We don't have to call finalize_pkvm(..) to
> > be able to handle smc(FF-A) calls in the hyp-proxy.
> >
> 
> As Marc said, the before finalised_pkvm(), smc wouldn't be trapped
> to pKVM. IOW, in case when both built as built-in,

They are, I tested before replying to this thread. The HCR_EL2 is
0x480080000 so HCR_EL2 TSC bit is set so SMC/FF-A and trapping is enabled.

In __pkvm_prot_finalize it sets the HCR_VM bit which enables stage-2 and
then write the HCR_EL2 from params->hcr_el2. However I wasn't sure that
this is seen as a 'hack' and not expected to work.

> if ffa_init() is called before finalised_pkvm(),
> it couldn't proxy the FFA_VERSION, FFA_RXTX_MAP and FFA_PARTITION_INFO_GET
> called by ffa_init().
> 
> How can you gurantee hyp_ffa_init() which is called by kvm_arm_init()
> comes first even kvm_arm_init() and ffa_init() are on device_initcall?
> 

While they are both on device_initcall, the only difference is that
kvm_arm_init is arch code which appears before the driver/ code in the
linker. That's why Marc said it is not a solid construct to rely on
this. 


Thanks,
Sebastian 

> [...]
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> Yeoreum Yun

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-20 14:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-17 17:57 [RFC PATCH 0/4] fix FF-A call failed with pKVM when ff-a driver is built-in Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-17 17:57 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] security: ima: move ima_init into late_initcall_sync Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 10:32   ` Jonathan McDowell
2026-04-21  9:37     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-21 12:00   ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-21 12:50     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-21 13:26       ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-21 14:09         ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-17 17:57 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] tpm: tpm_crb_ffa: revert defered_probed when tpm_crb_ffa is built-in Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-17 17:57 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] firmware: arm_ffa: revert ffa_init() initcall level to device_initcall Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-17 17:57 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] firmware: arm_ffa: check pkvm initailised when initailise ffa driver Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-18  9:24   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-04-18 10:34     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-19 10:41       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-04-19 11:12         ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20  8:55           ` Will Deacon
2026-04-20  9:25             ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 10:42               ` Will Deacon
2026-04-20 10:56                 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 15:47                   ` Sudeep Holla
2026-04-20 17:04                     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-21  6:57         ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-21  8:51           ` Sudeep Holla
2026-04-21  9:12             ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-22 13:32               ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23  8:57                 ` Will Deacon
2026-04-23 10:56                   ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 12:32   ` Sebastian Ene
2026-04-20 12:46     ` Marc Zyngier
2026-04-20 14:20       ` Sebastian Ene
2026-04-20 15:04         ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 16:50         ` Sudeep Holla
2026-04-20 13:00     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 14:05       ` Sebastian Ene [this message]
2026-04-20 14:47         ` Yeoreum Yun

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