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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Marco Crivellari <marco.crivellari@suse.com>
Cc: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] Add queue_*() functions and prefer per-cpu workqueue and flag
Date: Thu, 7 May 2026 11:27:52 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <af0D2P0jUDFBmSuL@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAofZF5p_AULqKfAip+vJeZLk42-YPZsYeSbW_otb7H_SUCntA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Thu, May 07, 2026 at 12:25:30PM +0200, Marco Crivellari wrote:
> So, either we're going to have an "unbound" version or we use
> queue_work() directly that sounds good to me. I guess retire - in
> future - schedule_work[_on]() would be cleaner: so that users must
> also specify the workqueue they really need to use.

Yeah, retiring would be my preference if we need to update them anyway. I
don't think the thin wrappers add anything useful.

> What do you both think about:
> 
> - queue_percpu_work()
> - queue_dfl_work()

But if were to keep the wrappers, yeah, these are better names.

> Let me share where this was discussed a year ago:
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/Z79E_gbWm9j9bkfR@slm.duckdns.org/
> 
> Perhaps - likely - I haven't understood the WQ_PREFER_PERCPU proposal
> here; I thought it was a workqueue flag, to be used like WQ_PERCPU or
> WQ_UNBOUND.
> Reading Tejun's reply is also clearer now.

Yeah, that was what was discussed then.

> Anyhow, this idea is based on customer reports I've seen previously.
> We noticed that with certain workloads, specific per-cpu work creates
> noise on isolated CPUs. With a flag like that we can identify which
> workqueues prefer to be per-cpu and *not* for correctness. This allows
> using a boot parameter / sysctl, for example, to keep those workqueues
> affined only to housekeeping CPUs.
> 
> Of course, if we can achieve the same with a system workqueue (like
> system_prefer_percpu_wq), that would also be fine. I think it would be
> way easier, it should be similar to what we're doing with
> system_power_efficient_wq [1].

WQ_AFFN_CPU is more flexible as the tasks aren't pinned to the CPU but there
may be downsides:

- Concurrency management isn't available.

- Would create more kworkers.

Maybe the original plan can be adapted to:

- Add WQ_PERFER_PERCPU as discussed before.

- At boot time, allow selecting whether to back them with percpu wqs or
  WQ_AFFN_X unbound ones. Maybe we can even experiment with default to
  WQ_AFFN_CPU.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-07 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-05 16:16 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Add queue_*() functions and prefer per-cpu workqueue and flag Marco Crivellari
2026-05-05 16:16 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] workqueue: Add queue_*() functions, future schedule_*() replacement Marco Crivellari
2026-05-05 16:16 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] workqueue: Add WQ_PREFER_PERCPU and system_prefer_percpu_wq Marco Crivellari
2026-05-05 20:18 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Add queue_*() functions and prefer per-cpu workqueue and flag Tejun Heo
2026-05-06 13:40   ` Breno Leitao
2026-05-07 10:25     ` Marco Crivellari
2026-05-07 21:27       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2026-05-08 12:09         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-05-08 15:11           ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12  8:52         ` Marco Crivellari

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