From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
Cc: Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>,
linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
kleink <kleink@netbsd.org>
Subject: Re: mkstemp(3)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 14:33:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <af2KFQI7aPjcyMMq@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <27133.19262.184587.893784@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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Hi Doug, Garrett,
On 2026-05-07T22:32:30-0400, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Thu, 7 May 2026 21:34:03 -0400, Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> said:
>
> > Posix System Interfaces Section 2.2 tells me that I should #define
> > _POSIX_C_SOURCE before #include <stdlib.h>. That fact is missing from
> > Linux's man 3 mkstemp. Arguably the Posix description of mkstemp
> > should mention it, too.
It is mentioned in this part (see the bottom of the SYNOPSIS):
Feature Test Macro Requirements for glibc (see feature_test_macros(7)):
mkstemp():
_XOPEN_SOURCE >= 500
|| /* glibc >= 2.12: */ _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 200809L
|| /* glibc <= 2.19: */ _SVID_SOURCE || _BSD_SOURCE
To be honest, I've never liked that format too much, and think it would
be more readable as this:
#define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500
#include <stdlib.h>
int mkstemp(char *template);
> <div class="standards-lawyering">
> Conveniently, POSIX.1-2008 removed mkstemp from the XSI option and
> made it standard (shaded only CX and not XSI) so in 2008 and newer,
> you don't have to define _XOPEN_SOURCE. You do have to set the
> correct _POSIX_C_SOURCE value for the standard your implementation
> confirms to,
Hmmm, I should probably give more preference to _POSIX_C_SOURCE in the
manual page. Thanks!
> which currently means that you can only use C17 in
> POSIX.1-2024 and cannot use C23 at all.
Well, you could technically ask for a combination of both, by doing:
-D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200809L -std=c23. Then it's up to the compiler and
libc to decide what to do with such a petition, but since POSIX usually
only adds ISO C-compatible APIs, it shouldn't be problematic.
> This may be the source of the confusion: for ISO C, "the
> implementation" is the compiler, header files, and standard library,
> so your C23 compiler ships with versions of those that meet the
> requirements of the C23 standard. For POSIX on the other hand, "the
> implementation" is the entire operating system, which must support one
> and only one specific version of ISO C. It is up to your operating
> system supplier (e.g. Linux distro packager) to build a <stdlib.h>
> that meets the requirements of POSIX if they want to claim to be
> POSIX-compliant. (Very likely they don't actually care about formal
> compliance.)
>
> An application that uses C23 features (or indeed that is compiled with
> anything other than the POSIX.1-2024 `c17` utility) is not a
> conforming POSIX application and its behavior is undefined. (Likewise
> POSIX.1-2008 requires compilation with the `c99` utility, since that
> standard is aligned to C99.)
> </div>
Interestingly, c99(1) is defined by POSIX to only need to accept an
ISO C-conforming program, and thus it doesn't support POSIX interfaces
added to <stdlib.h>. I'm not sure if this is intentional.
alx@devuan:~/tmp$ cat test.c
#include <stdlib.h>
int
main(void)
{
mkstemp("foo");
}
alx@devuan:~/tmp$ c99 test.c
test.c: In function ‘main’:
test.c:6:9: error: implicit declaration of function ‘mkstemp’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
6 | mkstemp("foo");
| ^~~~~~~
This is with GCC and glibc. I don't have c17(1) in my system; maybe GCC
has not cared to add it.
Have a lovely day!
Alex
> -GAWollman
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prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-08 12:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-07 17:22 mkstemp(3) Douglas McIlroy
2026-05-07 20:23 ` mkstemp(3) Alejandro Colomar
2026-05-07 21:19 ` mkstemp(3) Garrett Wollman
2026-05-07 23:29 ` mkstemp(3) Alejandro Colomar
2026-05-08 1:34 ` mkstemp(3) Douglas McIlroy
2026-05-08 2:32 ` mkstemp(3) Garrett Wollman
2026-05-08 12:33 ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
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