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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Tycho Andersen <tycho@kernel.org>
Cc: Ashish Kalra <ashish.kalra@amd.com>,
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	 linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/4] KVM: SEV: Add the kvm-amd.rapl_disable module parameter
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:53:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <afDYCpbeT0HsXTMF@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <afDJZQHNi-qdcEEe@tycho.pizza>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2026, Tycho Andersen wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 02:20:10PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2026, Tycho Andersen wrote:
> > > From: "Tycho Andersen (AMD)" <tycho@kernel.org>
> > > 
> > > Add a user-visible way to set the RAPL_DIS bit for SNP init.
> > > 
> > > Since setting RAPL_DIS affects the whole system, put the module parameter
> > > in kvm_amd instead of in the CCP driver to hopefully make it more obvious
> > > to admins.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Tycho Andersen (AMD) <tycho@kernel.org>
> > > ---
> > >  Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 5 +++++
> > >  arch/x86/kvm/svm/sev.c                          | 8 ++++++++
> > >  2 files changed, 13 insertions(+)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > > index 4d0f545fb3ec..2b50eed8664c 100644
> > > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > > @@ -3207,6 +3207,11 @@ Kernel parameters
> > >  			max_snp_asid == min_sev_asid-1, will effectively make
> > >  			SEV-ES unusable.
> > >  
> > > +	kvm-amd.rapl_disable=	[KVM,AMD] Whether to disable RAPL
> > > +			(Running Average Power Limit) when initializing the SNP
> > > +			firmware. This disables the counters for the entire system until an
> > > +			SNP shutdown command is issued.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure I said this earlier: KVM absolutely should not be able to disable
> > RAPL for the entire system.  That needs to be a power management thing.
> 
> You definitely noted "not CCP", I don't think I quite understood what
> that meant though:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/aZ86BZWi-GLiHvmt@tycho.pizza/
> 
> I'm a little worried that putting it in power management will generate
> some weird dependencies, or weakref symbols that can't change things
> if they are loaded independently of kvm_amd or something. But let me
> see what I can come up with.

Ugh, and it's not even powerman per se, it's actually a module in perf.  Oof.

I 100% agree it'll be tricky, but I also stand by comments that neither the CCP
driver or KVM should be allowed to silently pull the rug out from under the RAPL
module.

> > KVM then needs to communicate (and enforce?) the policy to
> > userspace.
> 
> KVM doesn't need to enforce anything, the SEV firmware will generate a
> launch error for policy violation if it's not supported.
> 
> For communicating to userspace if it's not a kvm module parameter, one
> option is to mask it off in sev_get_snp_supported_policy() if it was
> initialized without the support. Then it'll be visible via
> KVM_X86_SNP_POLICY_BITS.

Ya, this is what I was envisioning.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-28 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-27 20:48 [PATCH v2 0/4] Allow disabling RAPL during SNP initialization Tycho Andersen
2026-04-27 20:48 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] crypto/ccp: Pass init_args to __sev_snp_init_locked() Tycho Andersen
2026-04-27 20:48 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] crypto/ccp: Support setting RAPL_DIS in SNP_INIT_EX Tycho Andersen
2026-04-27 20:48 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] KVM: SEV: Add the kvm-amd.rapl_disable module parameter Tycho Andersen
2026-04-27 21:20   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-28 14:56     ` Tycho Andersen
2026-04-28 15:53       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-04-28 16:27         ` Tom Lendacky
2026-04-28 16:46           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-28 17:09             ` Tycho Andersen
2026-04-28 17:14               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-28 18:04             ` Tom Lendacky
2026-04-27 20:48 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] KVM: selftests: Add a smoke test support for RAPL_DIS Tycho Andersen

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