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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: Walter Harms <wharms@bfs.de>
Cc: Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>,
	 "linux-man@vger.kernel.org" <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
	Martin Uecker <uecker@tugraz.at>
Subject: Re: AW: clumsy cast in dlopen.3
Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 11:56:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agbsgTSLbKb-jz-p@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <face5848c7aa40ba94d37f25ccbd62e9@bfs.de>

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Hi Walter,

On 2026-05-15T08:35:49+0000, Walter Harms wrote:
> Hello,
> I agree the cast is not nice, (someone for a extension of C standard ?)
> but i have to admit that i have never seen the trick with the union.
> But it needs some explaination. The comment in the example is already huge,
> i would ask for a comment subsektion for this behavier here.

The thing about unions is that the only two ways for type punning that
are blessed by ISO C are unions and memcpy(3).  Everything else isn't
allowed.

Perfectly valid:

	static_assert(sizeof(int) == sizeof(float));

	union u {int i; float f;};

	float    f;
	union u  u;

	u.i = 42;
	f = u.f;

Perfectly valid:

	static_assert(sizeof(int) == sizeof(float));

	int    i;
	float  f;

	i = 42;
	memcpy(&f, &i, sizeof(float));

UB:

	static_assert(sizeof(int) == sizeof(float));

	int    i;
	float  f;

	i = 42;
	f = *(float *) &i;


Have a lovely day!
Alex

> btw: the original code in the example looks like this ...
> cosine = (typeof(double (double)) *) dlsym(handle, "cos");
> 
> my2c
>  wh
> 
> ________________________________________
> Von: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Mai 2026 13:29:20
> An: Bruno Haible
> Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org; Martin Uecker
> Betreff: Re: clumsy cast in dlopen.3
> 
> Hi Bruno,
> 
> On 2026-05-14T12:56:55+0200, Bruno Haible wrote:
> > The dlopen.3 man page contains this text:
> >
> >                   *(void **) &cosine = dlsym(handle, "cos");
> >
> >               This (clumsy) cast conforms with the ISO C standard and will
> >               avoid any compiler warnings.
> >
> > However, such a cast violates the strict aliasing rules of ISO C, no?
> 
> I think I agree.  Dereferencing the pointer &cosine with a type
> different than the type of the object is not allowed.  I've CCed Martin,
> who might be able to confirm.
> 
> >
> > The proper workaround is to use a union:
> >
> >   union { double (*cosine) (double); void *pointer; } u;
> >
> >   u.pointer = dlsym(handle, "cos");
> >   ...
> >   printf("%f\n", u.cosine(2.0));
> 
> This is seems much better, indeed.
> 
> 
> Have a lovely day!
> Alex
> 
> >
> > Bruno
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> --
> <https://www.alejandro-colomar.es>

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-15  9:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-14 10:56 clumsy cast in dlopen.3 Bruno Haible
2026-05-14 11:29 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-05-15  8:35   ` AW: " Walter Harms
2026-05-15  9:56     ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2026-05-15 14:05       ` Martin Uecker
2026-05-15 15:15         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-05-15 15:41         ` [PATCH v1] man/man3/dlopen.3: EXAMPLES: Simplify use of dlsym(3) Alejandro Colomar
2026-05-15 16:19           ` Bruno Haible
2026-05-15 22:51             ` Alejandro Colomar

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