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From: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/13] dma: swiotlb: track pool encryption state and honor DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED
Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 13:41:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agxolksC_1nfO34X@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260519132911.GA7702@ziepe.ca>

On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 10:29:11AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 11:04:37AM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> > On Thu, May 14, 2026 at 08:13:25PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> What I meant was that we need a generic way to identify a pKVM guest, so
> > > >> that we can use it in the conditional above.
> > > >
> > > > I have this patch, with that I can boot with your series unmodified,
> > > > but I will need to do more testing.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Thanks, I can add this to the series once you complete the required testing.
> > > 
> > 
> > I am still running more tests, but looking more into it. Setting
> > force_dma_unencrypted() to true for pKVM guests is wrong, as the
> > guest shouldn’t try to decrypt arbitrary memory as it can include
> > sensitive information (for example in case of virtio sub-page
> > allocation) and should strictly rely on the restricted-dma-pool
> > for that.
> 
> ??
> 
> Where does force_dma_unencrypted() cause arbitary memory passed into
> the DMA API to be decrypted? That should never happen???

Sorry, maybe arbitrary is not the right expression again :)
I mean that, with emulated devices that use the DMA-API under pKVM,
they will map memory coming from other layers (VFS, net) through
vitrio-block, virtio-net... These can be smaller than a page, and
using force_dma_unencrypted() will share the whole page.
And as discussed, that leaks sensitive information to the untrusted
host.
I am currently investigating passing iova/phys/size
to force_dma_unencrypted() and then we can share pages inplace only
if possible without leaking extra information.
I am trying to get some performance results first. But the tricky part
is to get the semantics right, I believe in that case those devices
shouldn’t use restricted-dma-pools as those should always force
bouncing. Instead bouncing happens through the default SWIOTLB pool,
if not possible to decrypt in place.

Thanks,
Mostafa

> 
> Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-19 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-12  9:03 [PATCH v4 00/13] dma-mapping: Use DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED through direct, pool and swiotlb paths Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-12  9:03 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] dma-direct: swiotlb: handle swiotlb alloc/free outside __dma_direct_alloc_pages Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-13 13:57   ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-14  4:54     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-12  9:03 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] dma-direct: use DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED in alloc/free paths Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-13 13:58   ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-14  5:01     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-12  9:03 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] dma-pool: track decrypted atomic pools and select them via attrs Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-13 14:00   ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-14  7:00     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-14  8:06       ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-16 12:53   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-05-18  8:19     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-05-18  8:32       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-12  9:03 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] dma: swiotlb: track pool encryption state and honor DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-13 14:27   ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-13 17:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-14  6:24       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-14 11:48       ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-14 12:35         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-14 14:43           ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-15 22:51             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 11:06               ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-19 13:39                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-14  5:54     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-14 12:02       ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-14 12:48         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-14 14:21           ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-14 14:43             ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-19 11:04               ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-19 12:27                 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-19 15:07                   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-19 15:27                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 16:05                       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-19 16:11                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-20  3:57                           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-20 13:40                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 13:29                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 13:41                   ` Mostafa Saleh [this message]
2026-05-19 14:00                     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-19 14:04                       ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-19 14:17                         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-19 14:27                           ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-19 14:37                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 14:35                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 14:45                       ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-19 14:49                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-14 14:37           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-14 15:43             ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-18  8:19   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-05-21 17:06   ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-05-21 17:20     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] dma-mapping: make dma_pgprot() " Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] dma-direct: pass attrs to dma_capable() for DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED checks Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] dma-direct: make dma_direct_map_phys() honor DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-18 10:04   ` Christian Borntraeger
2026-05-21 15:37   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] dma-direct: set decrypted flag for remapped DMA allocations Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] dma-direct: select DMA address encoding from DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] dma-pool: fix page leak in atomic_pool_expand() cleanup Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] dma-direct: rename ret to cpu_addr in alloc helpers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] dma-direct: return struct page from dma_direct_alloc_from_pool() Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-12  9:04 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] x86/amd-gart: preserve the direct DMA address until GART mapping succeeds Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-05-21 11:54   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-17  6:19 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] dma-mapping: Use DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED through direct, pool and swiotlb paths Jiri Pirko
2026-05-18  8:23   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-05-18  8:34     ` Jiri Pirko

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