From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5
Date: 15 Jul 2002 22:46:17 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ah0bv9$ldv$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20020714003425.GC29007@codepoet.org
Followup to: <20020714003425.GC29007@codepoet.org>
By author: Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> Of course making user space do this is pretty lame. But we
> have a much better way. Each cdrom device registers with the
> uniform cdrom driver, which can easily assign each registered
> cdrom device a major and minor. That scanning for cdroms would
> be as simple as
> for i in /dev/cdrom* ; do
> open ($i, O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK)) < 0) {
> /* Found a cdrom drive */
> }
>
Yes, something like that would be nice.
However, the case still remains that I think Linus' proposed overall
packet infrastructure is the right thing to do. That way a uniform
API would be available for poking at any device that supports MMC (is
that the correct term these days?) commands, regardless of the type
of device and the lower-level transports.
People have -- correctly -- corrected me on the "ATAPI = SCSI over
IDE" issue. When I think of SCSI, I tend to think of what a network
engineer would call "the upper data link layer", i.e. the command
packet frame format. I did not mean to imply that the physical
interface (PHY), or the lower data link layer (MAC) where the same. I
also realize that there are differences, but *from what I've seen*
they seem to be relatively minor.
I meant to start a discussion, not "call a vote", especially not
w.r.t. the lower-level implementation details.
-hpa
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2002-07-12 19:55 IDE/ATAPI in 2.5 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 20:19 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-13 5:40 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-13 10:52 ` Anssi Saari
2002-07-14 0:35 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-13 16:53 ` Olivier Galibert
2002-07-14 0:34 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-16 5:46 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
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2002-07-17 14:58 Joerg Schilling
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2002-07-17 14:00 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-17 12:32 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-17 13:36 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-17 13:54 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-16 17:49 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 17:34 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 14:30 Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-16 14:06 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 14:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-16 14:17 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-07-16 14:02 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 12:49 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 14:28 ` Jauder Ho
2002-07-16 16:08 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2002-07-16 11:28 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 9:33 ` James Bottomley
2002-07-16 11:43 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-16 11:47 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-07-16 11:59 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-07-16 11:02 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 10:47 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 18:27 Nick Bellinger
2002-07-15 20:12 ` Jauder Ho
2002-07-16 7:49 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2002-07-15 15:08 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 13:26 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 3:16 ` Christer Weinigel
2002-07-15 13:07 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 10:16 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-15 12:58 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 12:27 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 11:27 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 14:52 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-15 11:09 James Bottomley
2002-07-15 9:20 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 11:23 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2002-07-15 12:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-15 13:17 ` venom
2002-07-14 20:18 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 20:13 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 20:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-15 9:11 ` venom
2002-07-15 10:01 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-14 20:04 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 20:15 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 20:21 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 20:27 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
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2002-07-14 21:09 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 21:46 ` Alan Cox
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2002-07-14 21:59 ` Alan Cox
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2002-07-15 3:34 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-15 3:38 ` Thunder from the hill
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2002-07-15 4:36 ` Alexander Viro
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2002-07-14 20:49 ` Daniel Egger
2002-07-14 19:41 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 19:51 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:20 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 19:18 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 19:27 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 19:10 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 18:22 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 18:11 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 18:40 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:06 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:15 ` Sean Neakums
2002-07-14 19:42 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:02 ` Willy TARREAU
2002-07-14 23:58 ` Andrew Morton
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2002-07-15 6:54 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-14 15:15 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:27 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-14 15:12 Joerg Schilling
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2002-07-14 15:05 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-07-14 14:28 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:45 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-14 14:52 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:46 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:25 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:20 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:56 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-14 14:18 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:35 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 15:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-14 19:13 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-14 14:07 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-18 18:51 ` Kelsey Hudson
2002-07-14 14:00 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 0:29 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-14 13:55 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:47 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:31 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 21:23 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-14 13:26 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:28 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 13:24 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:39 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-14 14:10 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:35 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-07-14 16:52 ` Kurt Garloff
2002-07-14 13:17 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:03 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 13:08 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:59 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 13:02 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:50 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:44 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:38 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:32 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 16:01 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-14 6:20 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-14 15:22 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-13 23:27 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-13 23:47 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-13 14:46 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-13 15:38 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 20:08 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 21:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 19:57 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 21:17 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 5:49 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12 19:49 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 19:58 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 20:38 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 21:05 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 19:37 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 19:52 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-13 6:36 ` jbradford
2002-07-13 14:25 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 13:55 ` Thomas Molina
2002-07-13 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 14:31 ` Thomas Molina
2002-07-13 14:07 ` jbradford
2002-07-13 15:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 14:36 ` jbradford
2002-07-15 11:47 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-07-15 18:44 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 20:06 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 20:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 19:25 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 0:27 H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 0:37 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 1:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 1:23 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 5:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 4:13 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12 4:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 4:44 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12 4:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 5:03 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 5:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 13:15 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 10:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-16 5:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 12:11 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 12:51 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 14:17 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 14:29 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 14:41 ` Jens Axboe
2002-07-12 15:00 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 15:05 ` Jens Axboe
2002-07-12 15:41 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 15:35 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 8:19 ` Paul Bristow
2002-07-14 9:11 ` jbradford
2002-07-14 9:16 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-07-14 14:04 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-14 16:56 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 15:26 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 13:22 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 13:07 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-12 14:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 15:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-12 18:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 18:54 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-12 18:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 19:35 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-07-12 19:06 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 23:17 ` Matthias Andree
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