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From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 07/47] x86/tdx: Force TSC frequency with CPUID-based info provided by the TDX-Module
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2026 11:02:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ah_7jEMnqs80gXLG@thinkstation> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260529144435.704127-8-seanjc@google.com>

On Fri, May 29, 2026 at 07:43:54AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> When running as a TDX guest, explicitly set the TSC frequency to a known
> value, using CPUID-based information, instead of potentially relying on a
> hypervisor-controlled PV routine.  For TDX guests, CPUID.0x15 is always
> emulated by the TDX-Module, i.e. the information from CPUID is more
> trustworthy than the information provided by the hypervisor.

Right. EBX is configurable by TD_PARAMS.TSC_FREQUENCY at TD build. The
rest is fixed.

> To maintain backwards compatibility with TDX guest kernels that use native
> calibration, and because it's the least awful option, retain
> native_calibrate_tsc()'s stuffing of the local APIC bus period using the
> core crystal frequency.  While it's entirely possible for the hypervisor
> to emulate the APIC timer at a different frequency than the core crystal
> frequency, the commonly accepted interpretation of Intel's SDM is that APIC
> timer runs at the core crystal frequency when that latter is enumerated via
> CPUID:
> 
>   The APIC timer frequency will be the processor’s bus clock or core
>   crystal clock frequency (when TSC/core crystal clock ratio is enumerated
>   in CPUID leaf 0x15).
> 
> If the hypervisor is malicious and deliberately runs the APIC timer at the
> wrong frequency, nothing would stop the hypervisor from modifying the
> frequency at any time, i.e. attempting to manually calibrate the frequency
> out of paranoia would be futile.

Agreed.

> Deliberately leave CPU frequency calibration as is, since the TDX-Module
> doesn't provide any guarantees with respect to CPUID.0x16.

It is fixed to zeros. Sounds like a guarantee to me :P

> Signed-off-by: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>

Looks sane to me. Including your reasoning about tsc_early_khz= in reply
to Sashiko.

Reviewed-by: Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta) <kas@kernel.org>

-- 
  Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-03 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-29 14:43 [PATCH v4 00/47] x86: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 01/47] x86/tsc: Never re-calibrate TSC frequency if its exact timing is known Sean Christopherson
2026-05-30  3:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-06-01 21:46   ` [PATCH v4 1/47] " David Woodhouse
2026-06-05 12:33   ` [PATCH v4 01/47] " Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-05 18:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-05 19:51       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 02/47] x86/tsc: Add a standalone helpers for getting TSC info from CPUID.0x15 Sean Christopherson
2026-06-02  3:49   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-06-05 12:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 03/47] x86/sev: Mark TSC as reliable when configuring Secure TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 04/47] x86/sev: Don't override CPU frequency calibration for SNP's " Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:44   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 05/47] x86/sev: Move check for SNP Secure TSC support to tsc_early_init() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 06/47] x86/sev: Shove SNP's secure/trusted TSC frequency directly into "calibration" Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 16:14   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 16:23     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 07/47] x86/tdx: Force TSC frequency with CPUID-based info provided by the TDX-Module Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 16:21   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 16:59     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-03 10:02   ` Kiryl Shutsemau [this message]
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 08/47] x86/tsc: Add dedicated hypervisor hooks for getting known TSC/CPU frequencies Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 21:49   ` [PATCH v4 8/47] " David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 09/47] x86/acrn: Mark TSC frequency as known when using ACRN for calibration Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 16:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 17:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 10/47] x86/tsc: Consolidate forcing of X86_FEATURE_TSC_KNOWN_FREQ for PV code Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 19:01   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 11/47] x86/tsc: Kill off x86_platform_ops.calibrate_{cpu,tsc}() hooks Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 21:51   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 14:43 ` [PATCH v4 12/47] x86/tsc: Rename pit_hpet_ptimer_calibrate_cpu() => native_calibrate_cpu_late() Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 21:52   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 13/47] x86/tsc: Fold native_calibrate_cpu() into recalibrate_cpu_khz() Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 21:52   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 14/47] x86/kvmclock: Rename kvm_get_tsc_khz() to kvmclock_get_tsc_khz() Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 21:53   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 15/47] KVM: x86: Officially define CPUID 0x40000010 as PV Timing Info (TSC and Bus) Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 16/47] x86/kvm: Obtain TSC frequency from PV CPUID if present Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 17/47] x86/kvm: Mark TSC as reliable when it's constant and nonstop Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 18:12   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 18:57     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 22:02       ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 18/47] x86/kvm: Get local APIC bus frequency from PV CPUID Timing Info Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 18:12   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 18:24     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 22:06       ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 19/47] x86/tsc: Add standalone helper for getting CPU frequency from CPUID Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 20/47] x86/kvm: Get CPU base frequency from CPUID when it's available Sean Christopherson
2026-05-30  6:24   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 21/47] x86/xen: Obtain TSC frequency from CPUID if present Sean Christopherson
2026-05-30  6:35   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 22/47] clocksource: hyper-v: Register sched_clock save/restore iff it's necessary Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 23/47] clocksource: hyper-v: Drop wrappers to sched_clock save/restore helpers Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 24/47] clocksource: hyper-v: Don't save/restore TSC offset when using HV sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 25/47] x86/kvmclock: Setup kvmclock for secondary CPUs iff CONFIG_SMP=y Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 14:44 ` [PATCH v4 26/47] x86/kvm: Don't disable kvmclock on BSP in syscore_suspend() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-30  7:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-05-29 15:06 ` [PATCH v4 27/47] x86/paravirt: Remove unnecessary PARAVIRT=n stub for paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:07 ` [PATCH v4 28/47] x86/paravirt: Move handling of unstable PV clocks into paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:07 ` [PATCH v4 29/47] x86/kvmclock: Move sched_clock save/restore helpers up in kvmclock.c Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:07 ` [PATCH v4 30/47] x86/xen/time: NOP-ify x86_platform's sched_clock save/restore hooks Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 22:09   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 15:07 ` [PATCH v4 31/47] x86/vmware: NOP-ify save/restore hooks when using VMware's sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 22:09   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 15:07 ` [PATCH v4 32/47] x86/tsc: WARN if TSC sched_clock save/restore used with PV sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:07 ` [PATCH v4 33/47] x86/paravirt: Pass sched_clock save/restore helpers during registration Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 34/47] x86/kvmclock: Move kvm_sched_clock_init() down in kvmclock.c Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 35/47] x86/xen/time: Mark xen_setup_vsyscall_time_info() as __init Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 36/47] x86/pvclock: Mark setup helpers and related various as __init/__ro_after_init Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 37/47] x86/pvclock: WARN if pvclock's valid_flags are overwritten Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 38/47] x86/kvmclock: Refactor handling of PVCLOCK_TSC_STABLE_BIT during kvmclock_init() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 39/47] timekeeping: Resume clocksources before reading persistent clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 40/47] x86/kvmclock: Hook clocksource.suspend/resume when kvmclock isn't sched_clock Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 41/47] x86/kvmclock: WARN if wall clock is read while kvmclock is suspended Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 42/47] x86/paravirt: Mark __paravirt_set_sched_clock() as __init Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 43/47] x86/paravirt: Plumb a return code into __paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 44/47] x86/paravirt: Don't use a PV sched_clock in CoCo guests with trusted TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 45/47] x86/kvmclock: Use TSC for sched_clock if it's constant and non-stop Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 46/47] x86/kvmclock: Plumb in AP-online and BSP-resume to kvmlock, for documentation Sean Christopherson
2026-06-01 22:09   ` David Woodhouse
2026-05-29 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 47/47] x86/paravirt: Move using_native_sched_clock() stub into timer.h Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:10 ` [PATCH v4 00/47] x86: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Sean Christopherson
2026-05-29 15:17   ` Jürgen Groß

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