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Message-ID: References: <20260710083845.23c753ca@foz.lan> <87wlv2jq4t.fsf@linux.dev> <20260713095538.3d5e86f1@foz.lan> <20260713094120.GD1127719@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20260713220427.582b28bf@foz.lan> <7ia4mrvtrxjl.fsf@castle.c.googlers.com> <20260715005909.GF1656185@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <00a244f8-5be6-4ee7-b5b1-e4cbdcd4fc77@linux.dev> <20260715163921.GH1778116@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20260715174153.GB3846105@ziepe.ca> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: bpf@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20260715174153.GB3846105@ziepe.ca> On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 02:41:53PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 07:39:21PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > Yes, assessing whether AI report is "real" is work, but it's not > > > reasonable to push this work on already overwhelmed maintainers. And > > > if AI is wrong, again it's the job of the author to convince the > > > maintainers it's wrong. > > > > We disagree on this as well. This would force contributors to constantly > > justify their value against a machine that is known to produce a > > non-negligible quantity of nonsense. Furthermore, if those generative AI > > tools are as good as their supporters claim, the time they free for > > maintainers should outweight the need workload to triage the comments. > > I feel Sashiko and this whole AI world has created alot more work. It > is not saving time at all. Now I have to go and read every Sashiko > report to see if there is something important that normal review > missed. I have fix all the drive by 'this is already broken' stuff it > finds. We get way more patches than we did before. Now *everything* > has to be looked at more skeptically if came from some AI slop. I get > crazy real security reports that need special hand holding now that we > never got before. No, we are just becoming aware how awful our code actually is and how may issues have been overlooked by experienced developers and maintainers, not even talking about junior contributors. So save all these "pre-existing issue" reports in todo/ and go over them when you have a chance. > > Even on the submitting side now I have to run patches through all > kinds of AI tools to have a solid chance to navigate the new guantlet > upstream. Yes, I experience the same. But that just shows that we are not perfect and prone to making mistakes. > > We aren't saving time, or creating less work. My hope is we are > creating better quality, higher security and less bugs. I believe we are. Hopefully as we are fixing all these pre-existing issues we will be seeing less of them... Thanks. -- Dmitry