From: Yury Norov <ynorov@nvidia.com>
To: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
Cc: "Eliot Courtney" <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] lib: test bitmap vs IDA vs Maple Tree performance for region allocations
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2026 20:52:52 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <algrZLHyYcR2mwzX@yury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alf1lUH0EDf3CRMl@pedro-suse.lan>
On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 10:41:01PM +0100, Pedro Falcato wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2026 at 02:36:01AM -0400, Yury Norov wrote:
> > Compare the cost of allocating and freeing variable-sized regions using
> > a bitmap, IDA and a Maple Tree. All implementations process the same
> > randomly generated sequence of region sizes, ranging from 1 to 32 entries,
> > until the configured capacity is exhausted.
> >
> > Run the benchmark at several capacities to show how the approaches
> > scale. Report allocation and free times separately because bitmap,
> > IDA and Maple Tree removal have substantially different costs.
> >
> > On x86/kvm, the output example is:
> >
> > type alloc (ns) free (ns) capacity memory (B)
> > bitmap 179573071 342105 1000000 125000
> > IDA 46555636 33931498 1000000 134864
> > maple 18629665 19741396 1000000 1548304
> > bitmap 1630912 30933 100000 12504
> > IDA 6144785 3354590 100000 14288
> > maple 1745026 1825032 100000 155408
> > bitmap 28448 3374 10000 1256
> > IDA 418978 333641 10000 1872
> > maple 185398 211138 10000 15632
> > bitmap 2253 610 1000 128
> > IDA 42755 36432 1000 144
> > maple 19728 23474 1000 1552
> >
>
> I don't understand the comparison. bitmap, IDA and maple are
> completely different data structures for completely different purposes.
Sure. Please check this link from the patch description:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260710-chid-maple-v1-1-4ee869055268@nvidia.com/
The test is very well motivated by that discussion. I'm not saying
it compares apples to apples. I'm trying to quantify the answer to a
very specific question: what is better for NOVA ID allocator. Or more
broadly: what's the best data structure for range ID allocators of a
given capacity.
> 1) IDA is 16 bytes when empty, maple is 16 bytes when empty, bitmap
> is $size bytes
> 2) bitmap is statically sized, IDA and maple have to deal with actual
> allocation and freeing of memory
> 3) xarray and maple (especially maple) are optimized for RCU usage and
> have different tradeoffs
> 4) IDA does not support ranges
> 5) xarray (the underlying data structure for IDA) does not support ranges
> in any optimal way
> 6) maple is not optimized for 1-sized ranges, nor ID allocation; it
> actually stores data, so instead of 1 bit per index you get 8 whole
> bytes.
> 7) maple and IDA both handle locking implicitly
Yes, this to some extent follows John's arguments why bitmaps are
preferred for NOVA Id allocator. I'd also add serializeability, if
it's needed.
> There are also other pressing questions about the benchmark itself:
> it's pretty much the ideal scenario for bitmap.
It's pretty much the worst scenario for bitmaps, because the test
starts searching for a region from the beginning of the bitmap on
every iteration, making it "Shlemiel the Painter" algorithm with
O(N^2) complexity.
If I wanted to cheat, I'd carry the last allocated ID over the loop.
It would make the complexity O(N). I could choose to start searching
from a random ID, saying it's 'more realistic'. It makes the complexity
converging to O(N*logN). This is how cpumask_*_distribute() works, btw.
So no, this is far from being the ideal scenario.
> doing the find in
> bitmap is essentially testing how far the CPU can speculate, and how
> large the cache is. It's pretty darn large on modern hardware.
Yes, it's a very effective data structure. That's why it's the 2nd
most popular in the kernel, after spinlocks.
> Since you
> never actually free the ranges in any way, every bitmap branch should predict
> extremely well. Fragmentation in the bitmap can very quickly turn into a
> nightmare, while maple will eat it up just fine.
Assuming "fragmentation" is the uniform distribution of free areas, it
wouldn't "turn to nightmare", it would asymptotically turn to O(N*logN).
> These are very different data structures and picking between them requires
> understanding all the tradeoffs. I don't think this benchmark helps with
> that.
OK, I see. You seemingly think that I want to throw all and every data
structure away from the kernel in favor of the bitmaps.
No, I don't.
Thanks,
Yury
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-16 0:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-11 6:36 [PATCH v2] lib: test bitmap vs IDA vs Maple Tree performance for region allocations Yury Norov
2026-07-11 6:44 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-11 8:27 ` Onur Özkan
2026-07-15 1:49 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-11 13:51 ` Gary Guo
2026-07-15 5:00 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-15 15:54 ` Yury Norov
2026-07-15 21:41 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-07-16 0:52 ` Yury Norov [this message]
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