From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: On Tabs and Spaces Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <634393B0-734A-4884-93E3-42F7D3CB157F@mit.edu> <471476B7.5050105@users.sourceforge.net> <8c5c35580710160204s5a4f9fb3j68c0a86c4d080cb7@mail.gmail.com> <47148F72.1090602@users.sourceforge.net> <1192548367.3821.4.camel@lt21223.campus.dmacc.edu> <3awb7zw6.fsf@blue.sea.net> <1192565900.6430.16.camel@athena> <20071017015109.303760cc@localhost.localdomain> <3A9408D5-2667-43A6-A0CE-C0720B3A3987@vicaya.com> <1192645509.6640.21.camel@athena> <1192649598.6640.44.camel@athena> <20071017232146.4b9e4097@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Cc: Tom Tobin , git@vger.kernel.org To: Christer Weinigel X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Oct 18 00:04:41 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IiH0K-00069c-K1 for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:04:41 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756859AbXJQWE3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:04:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756015AbXJQWE3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:04:29 -0400 Received: from smtp2.linux-foundation.org ([207.189.120.14]:59661 "EHLO smtp2.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755975AbXJQWE2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:04:28 -0400 Received: from imap1.linux-foundation.org (imap1.linux-foundation.org [207.189.120.55]) by smtp2.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id l9HM3ukO030669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:03:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap1.linux-foundation.org (8.13.5.20060308/8.13.5/Debian-3ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id l9HM3tVG010539; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:03:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20071017232146.4b9e4097@localhost.localdomain> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.717 required=5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0-osdl_revision__1.47__ X-MIMEDefang-Filter: lf$Revision: 1.188 $ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.53 on 207.189.120.14 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Christer Weinigel wrote: > > But when you start claiming that there are no reasons to use all > spaces, and that it doesn't solve any problems (it definitely does), > and that all editors work with hard tabs at 8 (which they don't), at > least I get a bit frustrated with you. It's very non-respectful of you > to claim that everyone is stupid that doesn't agree with you and is > just asking for silly arguments. Yes, I know, you're an opinionated > bastard and proud of it, but maybe you should tone that down a bit. Hey, fair enough. I'm not very tolerant of people who haven't actually done anything, and then come in and say things should be done certain ways. The fact is, code talks, bullshit walks. And bullshit should most definitely not be encouraged. People like that should be discouraged *immediately*. I'm not interested in bikeshed painters, I think they should be told so forcefully enough that they either shut up or go away. Maybe it's a character flaw. I'll respect people who do something interesting, but re-implementing CVS (and badly, at that) or talking about syntactic changes to other peoples projects is not going to fill me with respect. In short, I'll give respect when somebody is shown to be *worth* that respect. But respect really has to be earned, not just "assumed", otherwise it's pointless. Linus