From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3700825F7B9 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2026 22:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785536500; cv=none; b=O4PU17q3QvWbtGiGnWJAIsXKRtueSxD9QqUOXul1hBydbz4+MbUgdrdIHpUZIo9HfB05hFvuxOrbL4fSR8rOXm4HUnxpyvEK6rLRtUwk4Tckoh8UgtToCx2bsmgrbVl2GsjD5RXuSTpB4mJYA2q2i39aVAFUbCTwUdBW+l36DD0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785536500; c=relaxed/simple; bh=abvZPl1Fe8Yfavd07Nb3WPbASojKmzDeHWqu1LEdlOI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=UjVHE8wf4SKZ2ByNHiv8Z25NsdAqK0pQsXdleKX1DUIzQyZ7/HYE+6ShUhlAmvycVE0sdM65M87qGtMi+vXbFFR4nX8upPl2ecX2l0pO74oV/VF0W99pyrs7YsOX1/ulHuhqJZFTP1OnqD+M4KvN9WgJdsDmmVdXh6k6LCVJ3Tk= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=F5ea60ot; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="F5ea60ot" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29FC61F00AC4; Fri, 31 Jul 2026 22:21:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1785536498; bh=e9vgyys2IdcEZybb8ncsBPw9GVWxOnMQtzTobLD28rs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=F5ea60ot7U09zD8jVVdix0qKdPVWl+K9E7d17x4WXpaBaZs7uLig20HpCu9rYoTTb 4qtVXAD3eu9+d1YqFOeQWzaWXTuXUUC5AcXwwasfREdJR8d/txXyMDdiGnklEZMxOd fRnDXk6vk60omx6CNAFrWnxGe11Lc0BWgvpPccu35romct6BcYPWCS35LcLdUde9pn EsG+Rx1GnstyPL131CJo+BwVFJ3qrcLU7xT+GDBSuKF8jSGZGQjYRGBWHjl6I96mdb XpodvXTReeH2xhAhdFcxKcoiyOT2DyWC346uMR3Lq5L1ZX6ob1kHK4AtX9L83C7zUF 5pq0z1eR7c3tw== Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2026 00:21:34 +0200 From: Alejandro Colomar To: Joseph Myers Cc: "G. 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Hallyn" , Iker Pedrosa , "Evgeny Grin (Karlson2k)" , Kees Cook , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by ) Message-ID: References: <784288e704183a4297aeaa3d13af8edab18bc1ea.1785532392.git.alx@kernel.org> <20260731215122.4p4aepsbgeoibx74@illithid> <89c9b877-54a8-6a7c-016d-51e4be210ad6@redhat.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="anj7cbhvpfwzxela" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <89c9b877-54a8-6a7c-016d-51e4be210ad6@redhat.com> --anj7cbhvpfwzxela Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alejandro Colomar To: Joseph Myers Cc: "G. Branden Robinson" , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Keith Bostic , Mark Harris , Nevin Liber , JeanHeyd Meneide , Christopher Bazley , "Serge E. Hallyn" , Iker Pedrosa , "Evgeny Grin (Karlson2k)" , Kees Cook , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by ) Message-ID: References: <784288e704183a4297aeaa3d13af8edab18bc1ea.1785532392.git.alx@kernel.org> <20260731215122.4p4aepsbgeoibx74@illithid> <89c9b877-54a8-6a7c-016d-51e4be210ad6@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <89c9b877-54a8-6a7c-016d-51e4be210ad6@redhat.com> Hi Joseph, > Date: 2026-07-31 22:10:13+0000 > From: Joseph Myers > > On Fri, 31 Jul 2026, G. Branden Robinson wrote: >=20 > > More to the point: what's a better forum for pursuing this attempt at > > reform that will both (a) reach a significant population of stakeholders > > who can variously red-team it and/or endorse it; and (b) has sufficient > > visibility that it can't easily be ignored by people who oppose reform > > in this area for whatever reason? >=20 > man-pages should document the world of C APIs as it is, in a way that has= =20 > broad community agreement; it should follow, not lead, on any changes. >=20 > When an API has been in since 1989, that means documenting=20 > as the main location for that API - not some other location on= e=20 > person thinks is better and that most of the community has never heard of. FWIW, the APIs have been in since 1986 in 4.3BSD, and in System V they go back further to 1983. Have a lovely night! 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