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From: "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hps@intermeta.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:16:49 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <am4ej1$9sr$1@forge.intermeta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20020915200002.B23345@work.bitmover.com

Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com> writes:

>It's a sign of a naive programmer when you hear "this code is all shit"
>and it's useful code.  That means the programmer would rather rewrite
>working code than understand it enough to fix it.  Extremely common.
>And extremely wrong in almost all cases.  It's *hard* to understand code.
>Get over it.  Read the code, think, read again, think some more, keep
>it up.  Always always always assume the guy who came before you *did*
>know what they were doing.  Otherwise all you do is replace mostly working
>code with brand new code that works for the *one* case in front of the
>new programmer and none of the 100's of cases that the old code handled.

Once again. BS. 99% of the cases where I had to work on foreign code,
it was a codebase where someone with a clue wrote something nice, and
then lots of people without clue "improved" that code. Then I start to
work on it and have to clean up the mess. First thing is that you want
to everytime is, to _understand_ what the original author wanted to do
with the code and what the clueless did to this idea. A debugger is a
decent toy for this. commons-logging another.

Code which was written like you describe is never hard to
understand. Clueful people know that they have to comment their
"tricks".

Ask me about Bean-Setters with a return value. Now that's clever. =:-(

	Regards
		Henning
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-09-16 11:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-09 22:17 [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 Greg KH
2002-09-10  0:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  0:19   ` Greg KH
2002-09-10  0:30     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  0:40       ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Cox
2002-09-10  1:41         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  1:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 10:23     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-10  0:35   ` Nicholas Miell
2002-09-10  1:01     ` [patch] dump_stack(): arch-neutral stack trace Andrew Morton
2002-09-15  4:34       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15  4:51         ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-10  1:27     ` [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  2:07   ` Matthew Dharm
2002-09-10  2:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10  2:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 16:32       ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2002-09-10 16:51         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 17:16           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 18:16             ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 18:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 18:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 19:31                 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 19:32                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-10 19:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 19:43                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 21:52                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-10 22:02                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 18:44           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 19:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 19:27               ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-10 20:18                 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 22:00                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-10 22:23                     ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 22:26                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-10 23:01                         ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 19:29               ` David S. Miller
2002-09-15  5:10               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15  5:33                 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-09-15 16:41                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  0:32                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-09-15  6:07                 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-09-15  7:00                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 20:05                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-15 14:53                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 18:23                     ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-09-15 18:34                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-16  0:55                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-15 21:35                   ` Rob Landley
2002-09-16  3:00                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16  3:08                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 11:16                       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen [this message]
2002-09-16 18:35                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-16 18:45                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 19:36                           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-16 19:40                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  8:50                     ` Ian Molton
2002-09-16  9:37                       ` Rob Landley
2002-09-15 18:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 18:36                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-15 19:04                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 19:43                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 19:43                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 23:24                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-15 23:41                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 23:52                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16  0:01                           ` Robert Love
2002-09-16  1:29                           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-16  2:13                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16 11:05                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-09-16 14:05                               ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-16 16:24                               ` Marco Colombo
2002-09-16  0:44                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  1:23                       ` Alan Cox
2002-09-15 19:07                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  9:06                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-16 14:14                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-16 14:53                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-16 15:15                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 15:59                         ` kernel debuggers was [Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34] Soewono Effendi
2002-09-15 19:08                   ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 19:10                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 19:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 19:32                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 19:48                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:59                             ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-16  4:05                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:55                           ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-15 19:35                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  4:51                       ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-16 15:29                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-18  0:33                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-18  0:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18  0:50                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-18  1:16                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-15 13:54               ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-15  5:01           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 16:46       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-10 16:56         ` Vojtech Pavlik

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