From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 18/20] mm/vma: make MAP_PRIVATE-mapped /dev/zero mappings truly anonymous
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2026 10:34:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <an2PQD_pT-ZpSCvP@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <517ea018-d6a9-4c78-b0a6-4f002b3b72ca@kernel.org>
On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 11:29:43AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 8/6/26 22:21, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> > When mapping /dev/zero with MAP_PRIVATE, one ends up with strange VMAs
> > originating from Linux's distant past.
> >
> > These have vma->vm_file set but NULL vma->vm_ops, meaning they satisfy
> > vma_is_anonymous() but otherwise resemble a file-backed VMA.
> >
> > The introduction of anonymous page offsets and their subsequent use as
> > indexes for MAP_PRIVATE-file-backed mappings mean the rmap does the right
> > thing with these but we are left with inconsistencies.
> >
> > The vma_start_pgoff(vma) == vma_start_anon_pgoff(vma) invariant is true for
> > all other anonymous VMAs, but not these.
> >
> > These VMAs are also observable as files in /proc/<pid>/[maps, smaps,
> > map_files] but otherwise behave like anonymous mappings.
> >
> > Therefore let's make these VMAs actually anonymous at mapping time which
> > will activate the anonymous code path for mappings.
> >
> > This means we no longer have to account for this discrepancy anywhere and
> > no longer have to think about these at all.
> >
> > This is user-observable, as MAP_PRIVATE-/dev/zero will no longer appear in
> > procfs as a file-backed mapping, but the impact of this change should be
> > low as likely nobody is relying upon this.
>
> As discussed off-list, it's best to discuss the impact with the wider community.
> I'm afraid not many people made it to patch #18 in this series. :)
>
> I don't expect this to actually break something, but we should be clear that
> doing a mmap("/dev/zero") will no longer indicate that as a file mapping in /proc/.
>
> You could mention that e.g., criu checks for "/dev/zero" mappings explicitly,
> but will just keep doing the right thing once this is a proper anon mapping; we
> expect similar use cases to do exactly that, and rather check for "/dev/zero"
> only to conclude themselves "this is just an anon mapping".
>
> Doing some digging, AI raised that there is the potential of some workload
> explicitly using "/dev/zero" to get an entry in map_files. I think that's
> essentially what our selftests do that you have to modify. I cannot thing of a
> good reason why someone would do that in their workload, and at least AI wasn't
> able to easily identify any such users.
I already fixed the self tests and yeah it's not very likely.
But as discussed off-list, let's defer the /dev/zero stuff to the next cycle and
get the core of this series in first. It's clear there's more discussion to be
had there :)
Will respin with the /dev/zero stuff peeled off!
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David
--
Cheers, Lorenzo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-13 9:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-06 20:21 [PATCH v4 00/20] mm/rmap: index MAP_PRIVATE file-backed folios by anonymous pgoff Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 01/20] mm/vma: introduce VMA anon page offset field and add helpers Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 0:51 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-10 8:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 16:24 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 02/20] mm: provide vma_[flags_]is_cow_mapping() and remove is_cow_mapping() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 17:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 22:10 ` Andrew Morton
2026-08-11 8:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:14 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 03/20] mm: introduce linear_anon_page_index() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-09 0:49 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-10 8:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-10 16:25 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-11 16:19 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 04/20] mm: abstract vma_address() and introduce vma_anon_address() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 05/20] mm: update print_bad_page_map() to show anon index if appropriate Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 06/20] mm: introduce and use vma_filebacked_address() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 07/20] mm/vma: fix self-merge check in copy_vma() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:44 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-11 16:51 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:53 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-11 17:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 08/20] tools/testing/vma: add tests for copy_vma() self-merge Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:46 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 09/20] mm: propagate VMA anonymous page offset on map, remap, split + merge Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 10/20] mm/rmap: track whether the page VMA mapped pgoff is anonymous Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:46 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 11/20] mm: clean up vma_address_end() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:48 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 12/20] mm/huge_memory: update remove_migration_pmd() to accept a folio Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 13/20] mm/migrate: calculate large folio page index using PFN Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 14/20] mm/rmap: use anon pgoff to track MAP_PRIVATE file-backed anon folios Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:52 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 15/20] tools/testing/vma: expand VMA merge tests to assert anon pgoff Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:53 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 16/20] tools/testing/selftests/mm: test anonymous page offset merge behaviour Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 16:56 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-11 17:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 20:08 ` Andrew Morton
2026-08-12 17:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 17/20] mm/vma: only permit MAP_PRIVATE /dev/zero to be mapped anonymous Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-11 17:07 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-11 19:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-12 17:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-12 18:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-13 9:18 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-13 9:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 18/20] mm/vma: make MAP_PRIVATE-mapped /dev/zero mappings truly anonymous Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-13 9:29 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-13 9:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 19/20] tools/testing/vma: add test to assert MAP_PRIVATE-/dev/zero is anon Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-12 17:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-12 18:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-12 17:18 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-06 20:21 ` [PATCH v4 20/20] tools/testing/selftests/mm: add MAP_PRIVATE-/dev/zero merge tests Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 23:27 ` [PATCH v4 00/20] mm/rmap: index MAP_PRIVATE file-backed folios by anonymous pgoff Andrew Morton
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