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From: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, ljs@kernel.org, david@redhat.com,
	willy@infradead.org, shakeel.butt@linux.dev, vbabka@kernel.org,
	jannh@google.com, aliceryhl@google.com, arve@android.com,
	christian@brauner.io, tkjos@android.com, dsahern@kernel.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2026 19:37:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <an4c64xukV16uN_U@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260813193433.3318288-3-surenb@google.com>

On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 12:34:30PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> 
> tl;dr: lock_vma_under_rcu() is already a trylock. No need to do both
> it and mmap_read_trylock().
> 
> Long Version:
> 
> == Background ==
> 
> Historically, binder used an mmap_read_trylock() in its shrinker code.
> This ensures that reclaim is not blocked on an mmap_lock. Commit
> 95bc2d4a9020 ("binder: use per-vma lock in page reclaiming") added
> support for the per-VMA lock, but left mmap_read_trylock() as a
> fallback.
> 
> This was presumably because the per-VMA locking can fail for several
> reasons and most (all?) lock_vma_under_rcu() callers have a fallback
> to mmap_read_trylock().
> 
> == Problem ==
> 
> The fallback is not worth the complexity here. lock_vma_under_rcu() is
> essentially already a non-blocking trylock. The main reason it fails
> is also the reason mmap_read_trylock() fails: something is holding
> mmap_write_lock().
> 
> The only remedy for a collision with mmap_write_lock() is to wait,
> which this code can not do. So the "fallback" after
> lock_vma_under_rcu() failure is not really a fallback: it is really
> likely to just be retrying in vain. That retry in an of itself isn't
> horrible. But it adds complexity.
> 
> == Solution ==
> 
> Now that per-VMA locks are universally available, lock_vma_under_rcu()
> will not persistently fail. Rely on it alone and simplify the code.
> The removal of the fallback does not affect NOMMU case because binder
> driver depends on CONFIG_MMU.
> 
> While at it we also make the handling of the cases where the original
> binder VMA is gone consistent. There are two cases to consider when
> Binder VMA is gone:
> 1. there is no VMA at that location anymore.
> 2. there is now another unrelated VMA at that location.
> 
> Before this change we handle case 1 by having the shrinker proceed to
> free the page, and just skip the zap_vma_range() call. And we handle
> case 2 by having the shrinker return LRU_SKIP. While either behavior
> is acceptable, we need to handle them in a consistent way. Handle both
> cases by freeing the page without touching the VMA (skipping the
> zap_vma_range()).
> 
> Full disclosure: I originally tried to do this with
> lock_vma_under_rcu_wait(), but it did not fit well with the mmap_lock
> trylock semantics. Claude caught this in a review and suggested the
> approach in this path. It seemed sane to me. So, Suggesed-by: Claude,
> I guess.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
> Cc: Liam R. Howlett <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
> Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
> Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
> Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
> Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> Cc: Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@android.com>
> Cc: Todd Kjos <tkjos@android.com>
> Cc: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
> Cc: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
> Cc: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
> Cc: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
> Cc: David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>
> Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
> Acked-by: Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org>
> Reviewed-by: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
> Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
> ---

Thanks,
Acked-by: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-13 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-13 19:34 [PATCH v6 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-13 19:34 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-13 19:34 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-13 19:37   ` Carlos Llamas [this message]
2026-08-13 19:34 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup helper that waits for writers Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-13 19:34 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-13 19:34 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Suren Baghdasaryan

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