From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 079BD2F3C10 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2026 19:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785786625; cv=none; b=MJdcLGfueWl5HofY1kTwPVmQGxkEjXhrt9aIbMuCTdYLX32dcCbqTdFKS0CUI+W9DzeE4gmCCES6CaTF3OtSnsw8C3Yg7F821Q4dUyRLdbnPehoe6lHV0RnGlfw2J8XPwCKfQXQnC8u1jfiZdVrxBcsfvOkQYm96IT4BbM6rElI= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785786625; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Rh0b2ol26/WysOdQKCGRtdPXtIrNJfrBhVwupGqRhig=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=VVemsymSJJuBd+21LLgVUCwPJk0Rlrtm0+tdEf7F45pyiizRtZVST94tgx4bFdwdoQgMGN00gWBabetx9rXOPrUPZ8oa5abfKzCtlZl2NuZEW7SDjMmtb29yTaeAYbLqXHT9DK/R/PKCxRUvcgcgiH7zV6mobWgKoPGC0eTf/Z0= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=f/WJjCJ1; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="f/WJjCJ1" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F09B91F000E9; Mon, 3 Aug 2026 19:50:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1785786623; bh=wcj17sbS/iBSInXkxBFabeSumoTvIkKFylgwmwNAA1A=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=f/WJjCJ1pfRSnKYAqLKh1CEgTNdkTRpPysX2MbhT1832wJkXPQPqysrIPJA4AGh1E QtaVlnm86FYbWPd5pkNJTuoKSg+9sdIVaKibuA7IZ7ujUsv90WZDE51w+rTLLz7VQk dSejbBgs72lflE0MYuYLZplUc8Fnq3dvmVtIzHyEHQxPZOqfWyZfoO4Aa8WvTBO4UY sN6kJcU52GbZFJjz39ajYDiHzzoJJgtq6tiXeq+VtFJcTFCaEUdtiou6yDHWoOPclX sXa49NUJGcLwBc/u+hdTJd5qHyndG+Mj4hVC3FiaXrampg2qrsjzNyKYnvZsDXZ7RU gSG05qWmfshVQ== Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2026 21:50:19 +0200 From: Alejandro Colomar To: Joseph Myers Cc: Bruno Haible , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Collin Funk , "G. Branden Robinson" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Message-ID: References: <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <4636165.RUnXabflUD@cagnes> <16f3f33a-85a5-5165-7d99-a3f85d857e50@redhat.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wh3mlblnuxojmoft" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16f3f33a-85a5-5165-7d99-a3f85d857e50@redhat.com> --wh3mlblnuxojmoft Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alejandro Colomar To: Joseph Myers Cc: Bruno Haible , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Collin Funk , "G. Branden Robinson" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Message-ID: References: <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <4636165.RUnXabflUD@cagnes> <16f3f33a-85a5-5165-7d99-a3f85d857e50@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16f3f33a-85a5-5165-7d99-a3f85d857e50@redhat.com> Hi Joseph, > Date: 2026-08-03 19:45:06+0000 > From: Joseph Myers > > On Mon, 3 Aug 2026, Alejandro Colomar wrote: >=20 > > > That's basically how it went with 'gets': The community realized it i= s a bad > > > function, then the implementors started to withdraw it. > >=20 > > Here's an interesting story about gets(3), which I learnt recently: > > The C Committee didn't remove it from ISO C. It was the Austin Group > > that triggered some unusual process within ISO for overriding the > > C Committee, and removed it in a secret meeting. >=20 > That sounds like a myth. You can easily read the October 2009 minutes=20 > (N1475), item 4.27 "On The Removal of gets() (N1420) (Stoughton)". You= =20 > can also see C99 issue 0332 that resulted in the obsolescence in C99 TC3= =20 > that was followed by the removal in C11. It could very well be a myth. For the outsiders, it was the WG14 convenor who told us this story some days ago. 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