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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
To: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Cc: Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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	 Reiji Watanabe <reijiw@google.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 19/26] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2026 21:50:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anJc8Ansf-QWFfFo@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ee8df643-91dc-4a38-a676-486a0d52c919@kernel.org>

On Fri, Jul 31, 2026 at 04:52:59PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> On 7/27/26 00:22, Brendan Jackman wrote:
> > Commit 1ebbb21811b7 ("mm/page_alloc: explicitly define how __GFP_HIGH
> > non-blocking allocations accesses reserves") renamed ALLOC_HARDER to
> > ALLOC_NON_BLOCK because the former is "a vague description".
> > 
> > However, vagueness is accurate here, this is a vague flag. It is not set
> > for __GFP_NOMEMALLOC. It doesn't really mean "allocate without blocking"
> > but rather "allow dipping into atomic reserves, _because_ of the need
> > not to block".
> > 
> > A later commit will need an alloc flag that really means "don't block
> > here", so go back to the flag's old name and update the commentary
> > to try and give it a slightly clearer meaning.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>
> 
> I wonder if we need to do this, and instead we could repurpose
> ALLOC_NON_BLOCK directly. AFAIU it's about removing the side-effect of
> gfp_allowed_mask in the next patch. But what would happen if we did that
> using the existing ALLOC_NON_BLOCK (or maybe just renamed to ALLOC_NOBLOCK?).
> 
> - in __zone_watermark_ok(), ALLOC_NON_BLOCK could now be *not* set in
> situations where previously it was set due to gfp_allowed_mask masking out
> __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM. But it only has an effect on top of __GFP_HIGH (thus
> ALLOC_MIN_RESERVE... which seems contradicting the ALLOC_NON_BLOCK
> description comment btw). Also __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM is only masked out by
> GFP_BOOT_MASK when all memory is free, so it's kinda moot?
> 
> - in rmqueue_buddy() we allow access to highatomic reserves since
> 281dd25c1a018. That commit describes GFP_ATOMIC so we could have been
> checking ALLOC_MIN_RESERVE. But we can also leave this alone because it
> doesn't actually matter when GFP_BOOT_MASK is set, as above.

IIUC we are trying to find out if the callers either has interrupts
disabled or is holding a lock, and using __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM as an
indicator. As you mention, it seems like __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM is only
masked during boot, presumably before we can allocate any unmapped
memory (should always be user memory?).

So maybe we should just use gfpflags_allow_blocking()?

I also wonder if restricing to callers __GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM is too
restrictive, we can probably key off __GFP_ATOMIC as I assume any
callers with IRQs disabled or wiht a lock have to set it.

Maybe we can also use preemptible(), but that creates a dependency on
CONFIG_PREEMPT_COUNT as far as I can tell.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-04 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-26 22:22 [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:33   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-29 11:42     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 20:34   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31  5:21     ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-31 11:57       ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] mm/secretmem: make use of folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 21:06   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31 12:15     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 19:28       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-02 16:10   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] x86/mm: split out preallocate_sub_pgd() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 22:10   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-02 16:13   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] x86: move PAE PMD preallocation defines to header Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 23:59   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/tlb: Expose some flush function declarations to modules Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/mm: introduce mm-local region Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:27   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-03 22:29   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/mm: move LDT remap into " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:33   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] mm: Create flags arg for __apply_to_page_range() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] mm: Add more flags " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04  0:08   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/mm: introduce the mermap Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:40   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-04 18:38   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] mm: KUnit tests for " Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 22:23   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-04 23:02   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] mm: move migratetype definitions to freetype.h Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] mm/page_alloc: add support for freetypes with no freelist Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:13   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] mm: add definitions for allocating unmapped pages Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 19:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] mm: encode freetype flags in pageblock flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] mm/page_alloc: separate pcplists by freetype flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:52   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03  9:20     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-04 21:50     ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] mm/page_alloc: implement FREETYPE_UNMAPPED allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:18   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-04 23:41   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-04 23:53   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] mm: Minimal KUnit tests for some new page_alloc logic Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:30   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] mm: Split out NR_FREE_PAGES_BLOCKS_[UN]MAPPED Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:32   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] mm/page_alloc: always direct compact for unmapped allocs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:44   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] mm: plumb alloc flags into some alloc funcs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03  9:52   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] mm: add fast path for AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman

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