From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40A2B39F16B for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 07:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1786346814; cv=none; b=fMEYrN5d3oM0JXQiWT8iccdmwjuPnfxG3ZQ5MVi9GYcemuHzGMQRvStxPL0dTFUPrd3QK9Q8LvvFDc+lbWNWeq+82p5LF2KRJAf0Y2QnWW0O9yI0kNThX+4TtCb8SvrgrDdBJ+3VcS9IRFxhtFLYRuIoQ0QjjeJFHAaoEvKPaFU= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1786346814; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Gb6HliNiWbYVKK65jfl4nISkqr9AUMKA1Y6h0tfGgIE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=B+rvSu47YbE2Ac5kUyhT0kq46Fu7iAhTU3i20hXfILgCuPQ0sBeNHVEmUNyMMDHbRW8cJqybaC/Nwtz78/ca2nfvn8EyFCsysSUgeUFBumoqPHFYcoEvN92/KkSeH5U6jo5yac7RQljiNaa4Vtponf2cVH73aqJAfPt6+VNagxQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=BPyuMFm7; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="BPyuMFm7" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9FE061F000E9; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 07:26:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1786346813; bh=Gb6HliNiWbYVKK65jfl4nISkqr9AUMKA1Y6h0tfGgIE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=BPyuMFm7y2p2C53d4UXb0qkkptPNYxgAxf/TG6gbbZApQUoBhnN5Hw7yaYCgSbdgs 3FJch6PU85hqr2TKknu/jPEi7uF3BPZPLnAke8x9wvyC0gWEXkuB/Y2sRaUE2lMUui I3C8tuJ5P+kx3PniwtVpX3JQHR55klOXA6JVpkKAixFPC/LoveU14RZDl2YLR5touv RQ/FOyzRmhTIfZ33JrDueK4NfyY/+ckpOLHRu+ylx6iZ8Qpzmfe8hRVukzTHdI9GTI GEI1mdFyeORf3nLcPMuVdU79tcHdUBDAOQ53FbgE2Mfb/EbMo+x6gzJDkgpguA6LTf 809gdtz5TRz0g== Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2026 08:26:36 +0100 From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" To: Dave Airlie Cc: Linus Torvalds , Steven Rostedt , James Bottomley , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit? Message-ID: References: <8ae41b73983eee6ba716a61b8701df6522a02baa.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20260806194153.6443a3ba@gandalf.local.home> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 08:10:21AM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: ... > I think people really have a misconception about what goes on at the > maintainer summit, the best explanation I've been given was that it is > Linus's staff meeting. The people that Linus works with closest, get > invited to talk to Linus and help him figure out where the overall > ship is going and where things are going wrong. ... > Your language choice already makes it feel like you see it as some > elite or special group. It's a bunch of technical project managers > talking about the processes of producing the kernel. If a talk about > the technical content of the kernel sneaks in it's very rare and also > usually not of interest to half the room. ... > > > I mean I don't know, maybe it's necessary to run it as a tight ship of > > trusted people, but I think we should at least be more clear about that. I mean this is kinda my point. It is being advertised as X but is actually Y. So say it's Y. That's not what Ted's posts or the write ups or generally any comms about the MS say it is. The CFP-ish bit is probably pretty redundant too on this basis? > > > > However I wonder whether we should look at an alternative approach like > > those with M: entries in MAINTAINERS voting on topics, or something > > similar. > > Voting on what though, I'm already over the number of times > maintainers with small potato problems think that the lives of > maintainers with big potato problems would be much simpler if they > just adopted their niche one-person mutt based review process. Ah good to know core mm is small potatoes ;) > > Dave. -- Cheers, Lorenzo