From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 771B747D920 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2026 17:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1787073954; cv=none; b=TiSUie/b0S997DLRdUW7UAuxXQZG+KEqGIzK2uNoSWJEOI3kRDKB7KLzhmhneD4c17doE2KGihRVz8OyMI2qwjLpRUteEF3UEPDboXZdjlbafRgrGpW9zYRqkjsteRZeI5WmiX+u60Tnup8ixFISWTa4srpeR9c0gvFkOsGzU0M= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1787073954; c=relaxed/simple; bh=5oNB8pfsLDCP2/IFajESPPHmmSQRatCH3WVBqXGtnew=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=GWDMK8ucHyB4IWft5pOtWQOFyEiosJRX7fD1/YLJAE/FpB0SzYW/AIVygpXN7h0GPfxchis1gZObdTcEDd4n8wpS+hN3BPI8+UEkdZiFjSufDIGITlRPPmZ74Qtgme3rc7nLKtSmpZXIDTr6VCDZ2ZQcP5sAfleykD5e4Or++WQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=oZDII/B4; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="oZDII/B4" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97C7B1F000E9; Tue, 18 Aug 2026 17:25:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1787073953; bh=qmq9MK/S4W931ItbYQChBFNxFDVjTAbmZEBOAwvsCVI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=oZDII/B4OYSTLZqhkiG/xO/7P+pZDGqQwo5lFc78+LvCzk7QINa8IntSEx9+XLs0p WeAICf9fSXpcCg9YqDvWYsO7klzs4cODViBjjLpGmSovcxeRhl42C3oF5l1QWEeeZe tHEP3qrUFDaG0i96gl/QtAY05IgOfXQiDOZRRJYZ2yWAf9c1e4mdSyZop9aZIFtKDp 0HRPS9ZmhKQlUYESP7Y6RO9gVLCJE0xXn5qae/YzYk8Yn2vLlNFOBTwoc3JFlPBX+g r9po2TaUqFrOdSd2GinFTON4Rgbmh7G8JLzWkKT5JyFc4HmPyIpsUSzu8Nv7K1xgJm ofbk5rtphAccQ== Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 18:25:47 +0100 From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" To: Theodore Tso Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" , Steven Rostedt , Jonathan Corbet , Linus Torvalds , James Bottomley , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" , Andrew Morton , Dave Airlie Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit? Message-ID: References: <87y0efi08u.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> <20260809170918.218792b2@gandalf.local.home> <20260810092003.5fda8e06@gandalf.local.home> <1BD1C7E7-CCA5-4BBB-94D4-83A7706E2579@infradead.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Tue, Aug 18, 2026 at 12:45:52PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2026 at 03:51:16PM -0500, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote: > > TBF I did make concrete process suggestions myself here: > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/anntucHhrzF_b4sy@lucifer/ > > > > And here (documentation): > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/anntucHhrzF_b4sy@lucifer/ > > These are the same URL; cut and paste error? Yup sorry I hadn't realised I'd made both points in the same email :) > > > And they got ignored, so I'm not _entirely_ sure that's what you > > guys are after here :) > > The above message was essentially a suggestion to (a) improve the > Maintainer Summit Call for Topics, and (b) document the full process, > with all of the details in the Documentation directory. The first is > something that wasn't immediately actionable --- it's something to do > for next year, and the second is one that we could do eventually, but > to be honest, it didn't seem super urgent given that it's documented > in this e-mail thread, and many of us have other things with shorter > timelines (such as the merge window) that is keeping us busy. > > I'm sorry that you feel ignored, but we all have tons and tons on our > things screaming for our attention. I mean honestly that isn't very convincing - the entire thread was low-priority and we're all very very busy. So I'll eat my hat if either of those suggestions ever actually get actioned :) [or you can choose a suitable actually edible alternative if you hold me to this ;)] It's all rather embelmatic of the MS as a whole - appearance of community but structurally not that. And what complicate it is that it probably _has_ to be that way for things to be functional, as discussed ad infinitum in these threads. I do still feel that we should just be honest about that (that's what my suggestions were about), but you know, hat, fork :) > > Cheers, > > - Ted -- Cheers, Lorenzo