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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: "Yonggang Luo" <luoyonggang@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/12] target-info: add -target and program-name selection
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2026 13:25:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <apAszS1ewxM0Y1XU@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ao7gGVuiDcVZSN6v@redhat.com>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 01:46:17PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 11:07:28PM +0800, Yonggang Luo wrote:
> > - Parse -target before TargetInfo is fixed; CLI overrides the program
> >   basename.
> > - Tokens are target_name or target_name-be / -le; -target help lists
> >   registered names in sorted order.
> > - When -target is omitted, infer the token from g_get_prgname(): strip
> >   .exe, take the longest dash-separated registered suffix, and retry
> >   without a trailing w for Windows GUI binaries.
> > - A basename that matches no registered token falls through to the
> >   unique default. Combined binaries with no suffix require -target
> >   when more than one default TargetInfo is registered.
> 
> IMHO this -target argument and the target interference from
> program name is a mistaken direction.  We're being led off
> course by the attempt to make the new qemu-system be identical
> to qemu-system-$TARGET.
> 
> If we ignore historical compat and treat qemu-system as a
> clean break, then I'd suggest that 'target' is not a concept
> to be exposed to the user at all.
> 
> The user cares about the machine (and CPUs) they want to run,
> and their choice in this respect is what should determine the
> target(s) QEMU needs to enable. We should take
> 
>   qemu-system --machine vexpress-a15
> 
> that tells us we need the arm target. If we need to distinguish
> arm7 vs aarch64, then the choice of -cpu should determine 32
> bs 64 bit.
> 
> This extends better into the future world where we have
> machine type that could involve CPUs from multiple targets.
> 
> IOW machine config option / QOM class is what we should pivot
> off rather than a global target config option.

I forgot to mention that this is also pretty important for making
introspection work, as we need to be able to say

  'qemu-system --machine none -qmp ...'

and connect to QMP to introspect the binary. Having to add a
'--target <name>' into that mix is undesirable, as it creates
a chicken & egg problem. You don't know what targets are built
into qemu-system without introspecting it and you can't
introspect it without selecting a target to introspect.


With regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-27 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-23 15:07 [PATCH 00/12] single-binary: link ARM and RISC-V into qemu-system Yonggang Luo
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 01/12] accel: use a shared TYPE_ACCEL_CPU parent Yonggang Luo
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 02/12] hw/riscv/virt: use unique QOM name and target filter Yonggang Luo
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 03/12] hw/arm/virt: " Yonggang Luo
2026-08-26 12:49   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 04/12] hw/arm/virt: prefix ACPI helpers with arm_virt_ Yonggang Luo
2026-08-24  7:18   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 05/12] hw/riscv/virt: prefix ACPI helpers with riscv_virt_ Yonggang Luo
2026-08-24  7:19   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 06/12] hw/loongarch/virt: prefix ACPI helper with loongarch_virt_ Yonggang Luo
2026-08-24  1:00   ` gaosong
2026-08-24  7:20   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 07/12] target/riscv: uniquify TCG crc32, crc32c, and wfi helper names Yonggang Luo
2026-08-24  7:22   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 08/12] target/riscv: seed cfg.big_endian from TargetInfo Yonggang Luo
2026-08-26 18:37   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 09/12] target-info: register le and be TargetInfo variants Yonggang Luo
2026-08-24 16:22   ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-24 19:01     ` Yonggang Luo
2026-08-26 18:41       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 10/12] target-info: add -target and program-name selection Yonggang Luo
2026-08-24 16:24   ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-26 12:46   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-26 18:13     ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-27 10:13       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-27 12:25     ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 11/12] target-info: dispatch CPU QMP, dump, and Angel semihosting Yonggang Luo
2026-08-23 15:07 ` [PATCH 12/12] meson: link ARM and RISC-V into qemu-system Yonggang Luo
2026-08-24 16:20   ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-24 19:04     ` Yonggang Luo
2026-08-26 13:00     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-26 17:40       ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-26 18:05         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-08-26 18:08           ` Yonggang Luo
2026-08-24 16:36 ` [PATCH 00/12] single-binary: " Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-25 15:42 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-25 16:55   ` Yonggang Luo
2026-08-25 17:22     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-25 17:11   ` Yonggang Luo
2026-08-26 12:32 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-26 13:40   ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2026-08-26 13:58     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-26 14:50     ` Yonggang Luo
2026-08-26 20:41     ` Daniel Henrique Barboza
2026-08-27  9:58       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-26 18:35   ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-26 18:53     ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-27  9:44     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-27 16:32       ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-27 17:42         ` Peter Maydell
2026-08-27 17:48         ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-08-27 19:58           ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-09-04 12:47             ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-14  5:46               ` Pierrick Bouvier
2026-08-27 10:22     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-08-27 17:59   ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-08-28  5:44     ` Yonggang Luo

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