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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Nimrod Oren <noren@nvidia.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Nico Pache <nico.pache@linux.dev>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Brendan Jackman <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Nirmoy Das <nirmoyd@nvidia.com>,
	Dragos Tatulea <dtatulea@nvidia.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] mm: remove min_free_kbytes adjustment for THP
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2026 14:52:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <apltoauHn-l--8nI@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260902162323.GO3004@cmpxchg.org>

On Wed 02-09-26 12:23:23, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2026 at 10:01:23PM +0300, Nimrod Oren wrote:
> > When THP is enabled, set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() may raise
> > min_free_kbytes using a heuristic that scales with pageblock_nr_pages.
> > Commit f000565adb77 ("thp: set recommended min free kbytes") added this
> > heuristic to help keep pageblocks free and reduce fragmentation for THP
> > allocations.
> > 
> > The recommendation scales poorly with larger base page sizes. With the
> > default arm64 pageblock sizes, the contribution per eligible zone
> > before applying the existing cap of 5% of low memory is:
> > 
> >   4 KiB pages:   2 MiB pageblock,   22 MiB per zone
> >  16 KiB pages:  32 MiB pageblock,  352 MiB per zone
> >  64 KiB pages: 512 MiB pageblock,  5.5 GiB per zone
> > 
> > Even with that cap, min_free_kbytes can reach excessive levels.
> > 
> > The automatic min_free_kbytes increase predates proactive compaction
> > and many subsequent changes to compaction. Given those changes,
> > increasing min_free_kbytes for THP by default is no longer clearly
> > justified.
> > 
> > Remove set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() and all associated
> > recalculation paths. With this policy gone, min_free_kbytes is
> > controlled only by the page allocator's default calculation and the
> > vm.min_free_kbytes sysctl. Users who want additional headroom may set a
> > higher value via that sysctl.
> > 
> > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260831075635.2244437-1-noren@nvidia.com/
> > Suggested-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Nimrod Oren <noren@nvidia.com>
> 
> Just to summarize my take from the subthread with Zi: the premise of
> this patch is to roll the regression dice on every THP setup out there
> because certain ARM configurations result in a questionable pageblock size.
> 
> I'm not against carefully evaluating and testing out today's need for
> set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() in real world examples. But this is
> not that.

I do hear your concerns Johannes. They are valid but I am not really
sure wht kind of testing would prove such a change to be safe.
 
> Nacked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-03 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-01 19:01 [PATCH v3] mm: remove min_free_kbytes adjustment for THP Nimrod Oren
2026-09-01 19:12 ` Michal Hocko
2026-09-01 20:01 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-01 20:44 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-01 21:09   ` Zi Yan
2026-09-01 22:09     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02  1:49       ` Zi Yan
2026-09-02 13:02         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 16:04         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02 16:47           ` Usama Arif
2026-09-02 17:02             ` Zi Yan
2026-09-02 17:24               ` Usama Arif
2026-09-02 17:13           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-03 18:58           ` Zi Yan
2026-09-04 15:20             ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-08 10:40           ` Barry Song
2026-09-02 12:07 ` Nirmoy Das
2026-09-02 13:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 16:23 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02 17:00   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 18:37     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-03 15:46       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-04 15:43         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-04 16:46           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-17 10:19       ` Nimrod Oren
2026-09-17 13:49         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-20 13:17           ` Nimrod Oren
2026-10-01  8:26             ` Nimrod Oren
2026-09-03 12:52   ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2026-09-02 16:41 ` Usama Arif
2026-09-08 11:54 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-08 12:24   ` Zi Yan
2026-09-08 19:30     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-09  8:11       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 10:38         ` David Laight
2026-09-09 11:18           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 12:27             ` David Laight

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