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From: "Roger Pau Monné" <roger@xenproject.org>
To: George Dunlap <dunlapg@umich.edu>
Cc: "Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"Alejandro Vallejo" <agarciav@amd.com>,
	"Teddy Astie" <teddy.astie@vates.tech>,
	"Anthony PERARD" <anthony.perard@vates.tech>,
	"Michal Orzel" <michal.orzel@amd.com>,
	"Julien Grall" <julien@xen.org>,
	"Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/14] x86/pv: use populate_perdomain_mapping() to map the Xen GDT
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2026 12:34:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <apqevSM60s2g-mtE@macbook.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFLBxZY=37WMc2+7Sc8zRSFcLCe5RdAwsPuyKUpMrQm87kvPeg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 09:50:02AM +0100, George Dunlap wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2026 at 9:29 AM Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com> wrote:
> > > your position here is really inconsistent:  You wave
> > > away a partial pagetable walk with three map/unmap operations on the
> > > context switch path as something we'll have to do in the interim, and
> > > can optimize later, but are now threatening to make me add in
> > > special-case codepaths and run tests to save a few memory reads and
> > > shifts.
> >
> > I think you misunderstood. There was a concern raised already on v1,
> > and that concern wasn't covered by the patch description. In my initial
> > reply I said "Functionally the change looks okay to me" for a reason,
> > after all.
> 
> To quote Andy's mail:
> 
> <<<
> 
> So what this patch is doing is still keeping the double copy (the
> fragility) but reintroducing the expensive part of the operation into
> the context switch path.  If you can't keep it being L1e, there's
> probably no point keeping the optimisation at all.
> 
> >>>
> 
> Basically what I took from this is;
> 
> - Andy thinks stashing any intermediate form (whether L1E or MFN) has
> a technical cost (two copies that could potentially go out of sync,
> thus "fragility")
> 
> - Andy thinks that the expensive part of the conversion is the MFN ->
> L1E conversion, not the vaddr -> MFN conversion

We later discussed this, and the assumption was that the expensive
part was the vaddr -> MFN translation, as that's where PDX is
involved.  I expect crafting a PTE shouldn't be expensive at all, but
maybe there's something I'm missing here.

The original patch cached the MFN in an attempt to not remove the
optimization, because my understanding was that the possible expensive
part was the PDX translation.  Then again I don't have real
measurements to back up any of the claims above, and hence it might
all be plain wrong.

Regards, Roger.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-04 10:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-02  9:43 [PATCH v2 00/14] x86: Address Space Isolation, part 2: asi= option and per-vCPU page tables George Dunlap
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] x86/domain_page: introduce IRQs-off variants of {,un}map_domain_page() George Dunlap
2026-09-03 14:07   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-03 19:56     ` George Dunlap
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] x86/mm: introduce populate_perdomain_mapping() George Dunlap
2026-09-03 15:57   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-03 21:27     ` George Dunlap
2026-09-04  5:58       ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-04  5:47   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] x86/pv: use populate_perdomain_mapping() to map the Xen GDT George Dunlap
2026-09-03 16:11   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-03 22:35     ` George Dunlap
2026-09-04  6:00       ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-04  6:54         ` Jürgen Groß
2026-09-04  8:06           ` George Dunlap
2026-09-04  8:29             ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-04  8:50               ` George Dunlap
2026-09-04 10:11                 ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-04 10:34                 ` Roger Pau Monné [this message]
2026-09-07 13:58                   ` George Dunlap
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] x86/pv: set/clear guest GDT mappings using populate_perdomain_mapping() George Dunlap
2026-09-07 12:50   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-07 13:51     ` George Dunlap
2026-09-07 14:57       ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] x86/pv: update guest LDT mappings using {populate,destroy}_perdomain_mapping() George Dunlap
2026-09-07 16:06   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-09 19:29     ` George Dunlap
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] x86/pv: remove stashing of GDT/LDT L1 page-tables George Dunlap
2026-09-08 14:29   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] x86/mm: simplify create_perdomain_mapping() interface George Dunlap
2026-09-08 14:39   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] x86/mm: purge unneeded destroy_perdomain_mapping() George Dunlap
2026-09-08 15:03   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] x86/mm: prepare destroy_perdomain_mapping() for per-vCPU perdomain areas George Dunlap
2026-09-08 15:36   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-10 11:38     ` George Dunlap
2026-09-10 11:54       ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] x86/domain_page: drop redundant create_perdomain_mapping() call George Dunlap
2026-09-08 15:55   ` Jan Beulich
2026-09-10 11:52     ` George Dunlap
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] x86/mm: prepare create_perdomain_mapping() for per-vCPU perdomain areas George Dunlap
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] x86/spec-ctrl: introduce Address Space Isolation command line option George Dunlap
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] x86/pv: clear the XPTI root_pgt per-domain slot on context-switch out George Dunlap
2026-09-02  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] x86/mm: introduce per-vCPU L3 page-table George Dunlap

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