From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: Konstantin Sinyuk <ksinyuk@kernel.org>
Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
Francois Dugast <francois.dugast@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/12] drm/fabric: vendor-neutral topology infrastructure for scale-up accelerator interconnects
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2026 08:46:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aq-AwReIVop1qv82@FV6GYCPJ69> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fabric-jiri-reply.1788176464.ksinyuk@kernel.org>
Mon, Aug 31, 2026 at 01:45:15PM +0200, ksinyuk@kernel.org wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 27, 2026 at 02:35:16PM +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Using generic netlink instead of sysfs for this makes a lot of sense,
>> but it may be a bit odd to use it outside the networking area.
>> I've been struggling with the same in another non-networking use-case
>> as well.
>
>Agreed, and the series shows the friction. The namespace handling is
>nominal, and CAP_NET_ADMIN as the mutation gate is another borrowed
>part of the model. I went into that in more detail in the reply to
>Jason.
>
>> - One character device per registered instance, not one global family.
>> Access control is the file: udev rules, ACLs, an fd passed into
>> a container.
>
>The fd-based access and event model addresses real problems with one
>global family and one multicast group.
>
>The main question is what the CTLV instance would represent. A fabric
>can span multiple devices and has its own lifetime. An endpoint can also
>be detached from a fabric with fabric-id 0 and continue to exist. A
>character device per accelerator would not provide the same global view
>as the current family.
CTVL is supposed to be just "transport". So however you use it is up to
you.
>
>Can a CTLV instance represent a multi-device fabric or the global
>fabric registry rather than one physical device?
Yes, whoever creates the ctlv instance is in charge of the lifecycle.
>
>> Would this make sense to use for you?
>
>In principle, yes. I cannot base this series on an out-of-tree pre-RFC,
>but the fabric, endpoint, port and peer model is separate from the
>current serialization.
>
>Changing transports would be more than regeneration, so I will read the
>draft before saying more.
>
>Thanks,
>Konstantin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-20 6:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-24 8:09 [RFC PATCH 0/12] drm/fabric: vendor-neutral topology infrastructure for scale-up accelerator interconnects Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] drm/fabric: add core object model and provider API Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] drm/fabric: add query uAPI and generated headers Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] drm/fabric: implement query netlink operations Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] drm/fabric: add read-only synthetic provider Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] drm/fabric: add object-model KUnit tests Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] drm/fabric: add YNL query and policy selftests Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] drm/fabric: add topology-provisioning core Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] drm/fabric: add provisioning netlink uAPI Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] drm/fabric: implement mutation netlink operations Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] drm/fabric: make the synthetic provider writable Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] drm/fabric: add mutation KUnit tests Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-24 8:09 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] drm/fabric: add mutation netlink selftests Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-26 9:32 ` [RFC PATCH 0/12] drm/fabric: vendor-neutral topology infrastructure for scale-up accelerator interconnects Leon Romanovsky
2026-08-26 15:38 ` Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-27 17:09 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-08-28 16:13 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-09-01 11:01 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-09-01 15:25 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-09-02 7:10 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-08-31 11:45 ` Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-27 12:35 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-08-28 16:28 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-08-28 17:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-31 11:45 ` Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-08-31 12:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-31 11:45 ` Konstantin Sinyuk
2026-09-20 6:46 ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2026-09-21 20:19 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-09-25 18:12 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-09-25 19:10 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-09-22 16:24 ` Austin, Alex (DCCG)
2026-09-23 0:16 ` Jakub Kicinski
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