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envelope-from=thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com; receiver= Received: from smtpout-04.galae.net (smtpout-04.galae.net [185.171.202.116]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03E4560662 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2026 06:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpout-01.galae.net (smtpout-01.galae.net [212.83.139.233]) by smtpout-04.galae.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4B13C23DB0; Tue, 22 Sep 2026 06:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.galae.net (mail.galae.net [212.83.136.155]) by smtpout-01.galae.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6839060580; Tue, 22 Sep 2026 06:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Mailerdaemon) with ESMTPSA id E795110329211; Tue, 22 Sep 2026 08:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 08:42:06 +0200 To: Adam Duskett Cc: Bernd Kuhls , buildroot , Koen Martens , Aleksandr Makarov , Zoltan Gyarmati , Marcin Bis , Robert Rose , Adam Duskett , Yair Ben Avraham , Angelo Compagnucci , Marcin Niestroj , =?utf-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Ch=C3=A9pied?= , Heiko Thiery , Dario Binacchi , Titouan Christophe , Fabrice Fontaine , Joris Lijssens , Philipp Richter , Thomas Devoogdt , Romain Naour , Roy Kollen Svendsen , Brandon Maier , Francois Perrad , =?utf-8?Q?No=C3=A9?= Rubinstein , Jesse Van Gavere , Luca Ceresoli , David GOUARIN , Andrey Yurovsky , =?utf-8?B?QW5kcsOp?= Zwing , Daniel Price , Christian Hitz , Gregory Dymarek , Stefan Ott , Baxiche Su , Philippe Reynes , Fabrice Fontaine , James Hilliard , Giulio Benetti , Karoly Kasza , Martin Bark Message-ID: References: <20260919155845.5776-1-bernd@kuhls.net> <20260919155845.5776-2-bernd@kuhls.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Last-TLS-Session-Version: TLSv1.3 Subject: Re: [Buildroot] [PATCH v2 01/77] Remove mender packages X-BeenThere: buildroot@buildroot.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion and development of buildroot List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Thomas Petazzoni via buildroot Reply-To: Thomas Petazzoni Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: buildroot-bounces@buildroot.org Sender: "buildroot" Hello Adam, On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 08:04:10PM +0200, Adam Duskett wrote: > Thanks for your feedback. Based on how you phrase your feedback, it > seems like you're somehow taking it personally, as if it was > specifically your contributions that were being ignored. > = > Nope. Other patches not from me such as the qmake QT6 series is also igno= red.=A0 Indeed, that's a global problem and there is nothing personal about you or your contributions. > While I understand the frustration that it may cause, simply being > "grumpy" is not going to help in any way. What would help is having > more contributors involved in the review of patches from others. > = > Don't be condescending.=A0 This is the same line that has been used for o= ver a > decade. Reviews are also ignored and maintainers insist on nit picking ev= ery > single patch.=A0 Please do not over-interpret my words: keep in mind that I am not a native speaker, and in this sort of complex written conversation, it is difficult to convey my exact state of mind. I am not condescending at all. > Can I ask that rather than just looking at your own patches for your > own specific topic, you take a look at the bigger picture, hopefully > turning your "grumpiness" into more productive help/participation to > the Buildroot community? This is going to be a LOT more useful. > = > Again, don't be condescending. I was CCed on a patch series, I put in my = two > cents. If my opinion wasn't wanted then don't include me on the email.=A0 Your opinion is wanted. > And I restate: Mender is an important piece of software of the > embedded Linux ecosystem, and it makes complete sense to have good > support for it in upstream Buildroot. > = > Then perhaps one of the maintainers can step up and update the package? I > wasn't being "grumpy" as you put it when I said an external tree is easie= r for > me to maintain. I choose not to deal with the endless nitpicking fand > bikeshedding rom the maintainers, as I have voiced my frustrations with t= he > maintainers and developers for more than a decade and nothing has changed= .=A0 We are not bikeshedding, we are ensuring a proper consistency and quality level. Just like what happens in every open-source project that is properly maintained. Before Peter Korsgaard took over the maintenance of Buildroot in 2008-2009, multiple people not coordinating with each other and not having a solid idea of how things should be done had commit access. And trust me, the result was atrocious. Every problem was solved in a different way in different places, the code had no consistency. It was very very difficult to work with. So what you (hopefully?) like in Buildroot today is in large part due to what you call "endless nitpicking and bikeshedding from the maintainers". Best regards, Thomas -- = Thomas Petazzoni, co-owner and CEO, Bootlin Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering and training https://bootlin.com _______________________________________________ buildroot mailing list buildroot@buildroot.org https://lists.buildroot.org/mailman/listinfo/buildroot