From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/14] KVM: Allow architectures to disallow pre-fault
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 11:40:29 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <arLLnYvkXSFr6f6u@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <arK8-Hec3-5o4jYs@gremlin>
On Tue, Sep 22, 2026, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 10:36:49AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2026, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 10:23:43AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > Rather than have kvm_arch_vcpu_allow_pre_fault_memory(), what if we add a more
> > > > generic kvm_is_vcpu_loadable()? That way we don't need to worry as much about
> > > > the return value, the connection to vcpu_load() is obvious, and we don't need to
> > > > add another pre-check if future (or cleaned-up existing?) ioctls want to do
> > > > vcpu_load() in common code.
> > >
> > > ...this is exactly what I started out with.
> > >
> > > But then you are in a pickle, because _really_ you need to do that check in
> > > vcpu_load(). Which is a void function. Which is called by every single
> > > architecture all over the place.
> > >
> > > So you'd have actually no way of signalling the error back.
> > >
> > > Of course those places are arch code and you could say 'arches should know
> > > better and if they call it it's fine not to call the arch 'can you load'
> > > function.
> >
> > Yes, that's my vote. It'd be easy enough to clarify that "rule" with a comment
> > in linux/kvm_host.h.
>
> I note you dodge the actually difficult question of what this wrapper function
> would look like ;)
Oh, I was thinking we wouldn't bother with a wrapper. Because I agree that
providing a complement to vcpu_load() would get all kinds of messy. Though we
could harden vcpu_load() with a WARN_ON_ONCE(), which in practice would prevent
the vast majority of violations from making it to a final kernel release.
> > > Instead you can make the predicate 'don't prefault on a not-yet-initialised
> > > vCPU' which is pretty sensible I think, have a specific place to put it and
> > > all's well with the world.
> >
> > But look at it from an x86 perspective. Pretty much everyone will look at this
> > and expect:
> >
> > bool kvm_arch_vcpu_allow_pre_fault_memory(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
> > {
> > return vcpu->kvm->arch.pre_fault_allowed;
> > }
>
> I'm not sure I really get your point here at all? :)
>
> Why would it matter what people who are too lazy to go check the implementation
> assume about an arch hook?
Because I don't hate the people that contribute to KVM, and want to make it as
easy as possible for them to not make mistakes?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-22 18:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-22 14:17 [PATCH v3 00/14] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY support Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 01/14] KVM: Allow architectures to disallow pre-fault Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 16:49 ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 17:23 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 17:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 18:01 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:40 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-09-22 18:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:07 ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 18:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 18:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 10:54 ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-23 13:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 02/14] arm64: Add ESR fault helpers Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:00 ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 17:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:13 ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 03/14] KVM: arm64: Use ESR helpers in guest abort handling Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 04/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use esr in s2fd when handling guest aborts Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 05/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use mmu " Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 06/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use kvm_s2_fault_result on S2 fault Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 07/14] KVM: arm64: Size the stage-2 memcache from the fault MMU Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:31 ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-23 11:00 ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-23 13:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 08/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate EHWPOISON in kvm_s2_fault_pin_pfn() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 11:05 ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 09/14] KVM: arm64: Pass walk flags to kvm_pgtable_get_leaf() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 11:07 ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 10/14] KVM: arm64: Implement KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 11:18 ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-23 13:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 13:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-23 13:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 11/14] Documentation: KVM: document arm64 KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 12/14] KVM: selftests: Enable pre_fault_memory_test for arm64 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 13/14] KVM: selftests: Add option for different backing in pre-fault tests Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 14/14] KVM: selftests: Add nested pre-fault test for arm64 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 20:42 ` [PATCH v3 00/14] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY support Oliver Upton
2026-09-23 10:03 ` Fuad Tabba
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