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From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Peng Fan <peng.fan@oss.nxp.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Joerg Roedel (AMD)" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jpb@kernel.org>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@kernel.org>,
	Krishna Reddy <vdumpa@nvidia.com>,
	"Jonathan Hunter" <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>, <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peng Fan <peng.fan@nxp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v6 5/5] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Wire up shared-SID STE ordering and feature gating
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 12:33:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <as6HfzpcalIh6SMs@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d2a05c3-f7f6-4348-a3b4-c8f3ffa79b6c@arm.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 05:23:21PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
> On 13/10/2026 1:44 pm, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 12:22:06PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
> > > If we're not going to support PASID for shared streams (which I suggest we
> > > don't...) than we shouldn't strictly need to worry about CD tables anyway.
> > > So rather than having to special-case CD table sharing for shared streams,
> > > perhaps it might make sense to generalise back to a "default" per-domain CD
> > > for non-PASID use, which can then get switched for the private per-stream
> > > cd_table if and when a device does enable PASID?
> > 
> > If we have stared STEs then the group becomes the per-STE data
> > structure not the master.. We don't have any way right now to do that,
> > but it would make some sense for the group to store the shared CD
> 
> That would be precisely the aforementioned special case that I'd hope to
> avoid. My point is that the CD represents the domain context, so we really
> shouldn't have to have multiple copies of that per-device _or_ per-group,
> _unless_ it is attached via a PASID, since in that case it does need to be
> copied into a per-device CD table (since the per-domain CD table was indeed
> the wrong move in hindsight).
> 
> So what I'm saying is that if we're going to make anything share CDs, then
> ideally we should just make all non-PASID devices always directly share the
> domain's own CD, then if we just enforce that any devices sharing StreamIDs
> must be non-PASID devices, it should all work out, we save some memory in
> the normal case, and never have to be concerned with rewriting any STE with
> a different S1ContextPtr for the _same_ domain except when enabling or
> disabling PASID for the (single) device owning that STE.

FWIW, master->ats_always_on would be a special case here: it is
non-PASID but needs s1cdmax to be non zero.

But yea, that sounds like a good approach, though requires a big
refactor.

Thanks
Nicolin


      reply	other threads:[~2026-10-13 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-11 11:31 [PATCH RFC v6 0/5] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Support shared Stream IDs Peng Fan (OSS)
2026-10-11 11:31 ` [PATCH RFC v6 1/5] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Allocate streams individually Peng Fan (OSS)
2026-10-11 11:31 ` [PATCH RFC v6 2/5] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Delay stream allocation to inside the mutex Peng Fan (OSS)
2026-10-12 20:36   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-11 11:31 ` [PATCH RFC v6 3/5] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Support shared SIDs in insert/remove_master Peng Fan (OSS)
2026-10-12 20:48   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-11 11:31 ` [PATCH RFC v6 4/5] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Group aliasing devices into the same IOMMU group Peng Fan (OSS)
2026-10-12 12:24   ` Peng Fan
2026-10-12 13:05     ` Robin Murphy
2026-10-11 11:31 ` [PATCH RFC v6 5/5] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Wire up shared-SID STE ordering and feature gating Peng Fan (OSS)
2026-10-12 13:23   ` Peng Fan
2026-10-12 23:54     ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-13 11:22       ` Robin Murphy
2026-10-13 12:44         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-13 14:46           ` Peng Fan
2026-10-13 15:14             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-13 18:26               ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-13 16:23           ` Robin Murphy
2026-10-13 19:33             ` Nicolin Chen [this message]

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