From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Babanpreet Singh <bbnpreetsingh@gmail.com>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
Pavel Tikhomirov <ptikhomirov@virtuozzo.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
syzbot+c382ee653fd70f5cf1bb@syzkaller.appspotmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pid: use READ_ONCE() in pid_alive()
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2026 17:03:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <asO8TiCfByNjBHWK@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261004143108.4b851713@pumpkin>
On 10/04, David Laight wrote:
>
> I was wondering if the (partial) rcu protection of these lists was worth
> the trouble.
At the top of my head, probably not... At least right now. We can improve
this, say we can change attach_pid() to use hlist_add_behind_rcu(). This way
the lockless do_each_pid() won't "obviously race" with fork(). But this won't
solve other problems.
> If the 'add code' all the readers and have to hold the lock then does that
> leave anything other than task exit doing an rcu-delete.
> I wouldn't have though acquiring the lock in the task exit code would
> be noticeable.
Still can't understand. The exiting task does take tasklist when it calls
detach_pid().
> > I don't think it can. Say, __kill_pgrp_info() is a "typical" user of
> > do_each_pid_task(). What can it do if it detects that get_nulls_value()
> > doesn't match after the main loop? The signal was already sent.
>
> It would have to check each entry to ensure it was on the correct list.
> (That probably doesn't need the 'nulls' variant.)
> The problem is that the rescan will do things twice.
> This is ok for a search, but probably not for sending a signal.
Yes, exactly.
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-05 15:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-02 1:21 [PATCH] pid: use READ_ONCE() in pid_alive() Babanpreet Singh
2026-10-02 6:33 ` Bradley Morgan
2026-10-02 11:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-10-03 17:22 ` David Laight
2026-10-04 10:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-10-04 11:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-10-04 11:51 ` David Laight
2026-10-04 13:14 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-10-04 13:31 ` David Laight
2026-10-05 15:03 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2026-10-05 18:46 ` David Laight
2026-10-12 9:13 ` Christian Brauner
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