From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
"BALATON Zoltan" <balaton@eik.bme.hu>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Alistair Francis" <alistair.francis@wdc.com>,
"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>, "Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] docs/devel: relax policy on AI-generated contributions
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2026 13:49:43 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <asTgV5DRpbQ8nEoP@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <asTF0za8c5njDtrK@redhat.com>
Am 06.10.2026 um 11:56 hat Daniel P. Berrangé geschrieben:
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2026 at 10:44:37AM +0100, Alex Bennée wrote:
> > Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:
> >
> > > Am 05.10.2026 um 23:09 hat BALATON Zoltan geschrieben:
> > >> On Fri, 2 Oct 2026, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > >> > I agree completely with how you phrased the first and third. I agree
> > >> > that the second bullet is a risk too, but it's mitigated by "LLM-created
> > >> > contributions will be held to a higher standard than human-created ones,
> > >> > because LLMs make it easier to write tests" (and by maintainers being
> > >> > able to
> > >>
> > >> Tests need to be reviewed too to be able to trust them so that does not help
> > >> against overloading reviewers with generated patches but burdens them even
> > >> more: they will also have to review the tests before the code.
> > >
> > > The required level of trust for tests is comparatively low, so it's much
> > > easier to review tests to a sufficient level than say device emulation
> > > code.
> > >
> > > If a new test looks plausible, fails before the fix and passes
> > > afterwards, it's more useful that what we had before, even if it's
> > > technically buggy in some corner case.
> >
> > And also easier to rip out in the unlikely event it infringes anything.
> >
> > But broadly having a test* is better than having no test.
> >
> > * modulo the effects on our coverage.
>
> The maintability of test code is really important too, just as much
> as the code being tested. Every test potentially constrains how we
> can change code in future as tests themselves are never perfect or
> exhaustive and often take short-cuts in their design to suit the
> current testing needs. As we enhance the code under test, the test
> suite needs to evolve with it and that requires that we understand
> the test code and why it is doing what it is doing.
>
> A test spat out by AI which is a string of 20 undocumented qtest
> commands may fail before the fix and pass afterwards, but that
> test is not automatically a win if we don't understand why the test
> is doing what it is doing - it becomes a burden for long term maint.
That's the "looks plausible" part. It's really not a lot of work to
recognise that a test is just 20 undocumented qtest commands.
Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-07 8:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-30 8:54 [PATCH v4 0/4] docs/devel, AGENTS.md: a completely new policy on AI-generated contributions Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-30 8:54 ` [PATCH 1/4] docs/devel: relax " Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-30 12:54 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-09-30 12:57 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-09-30 13:09 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-09-30 19:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-30 16:14 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-10-01 12:21 ` Peter Maydell
2026-10-02 9:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-10-05 21:09 ` BALATON Zoltan
2026-10-06 8:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-10-06 9:44 ` Alex Bennée
2026-10-06 9:56 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-10-06 11:49 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2026-10-06 13:13 ` Alex Bennée
2026-10-02 14:53 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-10-07 6:00 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-30 8:54 ` [PATCH 2/4] AGENTS.md: add final instructions Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-30 8:54 ` [PATCH 3/4] AGENTS.md: let agents know what the participation rules are Paolo Bonzini
2026-10-13 9:33 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-09-30 8:54 ` [PATCH 4/4] AGENTS.md: make the human part of the design process Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-30 21:17 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] docs/devel, AGENTS.md: a completely new policy on AI-generated contributions Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2026-09-30 23:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-10-01 4:44 ` Warner Losh
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-09-21 7:52 [RFC PATCH v3 " Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-21 7:52 ` [PATCH 1/4] docs/devel: relax " Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-21 9:22 ` Alex Bennée
2026-09-21 14:11 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-09-23 15:52 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-09-21 10:46 ` BALATON Zoltan
2026-09-21 10:57 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-09-21 13:20 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-09-23 16:16 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-09-24 2:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-09-24 9:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-09-24 16:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-09-24 9:29 ` Alex Bennée
2026-09-24 10:46 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-09-24 11:30 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-09-24 21:16 ` Warner Losh
2026-09-25 10:05 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-09-25 11:22 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-09-25 12:20 ` BALATON Zoltan
2026-09-27 9:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-09-27 10:03 ` BALATON Zoltan
2026-09-27 16:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-09-27 18:05 ` BALATON Zoltan
2026-09-30 16:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-24 16:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-09-24 18:06 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-09-27 9:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-09-28 7:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2026-09-28 8:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-09-29 14:23 ` Kevin Wolf
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