From: Kyle Swenson <kyle.swenson@est.tech>
To: Kory Maincent <kory.maincent@bootlin.com>
Cc: Oleksij Rempel <o.rempel@pengutronix.de>,
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Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@pengutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 05/10] net: pse-pd: check the PI state under the lock when setting a power limit
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 15:40:00 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <atjcxjV-scVhA6aF@p620> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0378ccc3-4807-4d63-8e61-03b465952929@bootlin.com>
On Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 12:19:28PM +0200, Kory Maincent wrote:
>
>
> On 10/20/26 07:40, Oleksij Rempel wrote:
> > CCing regulator related folks.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 02:30:24PM +0200, Kory Maincent wrote:
> > >
> > > On 10/19/26 10:51, netdev-bot+sashiko@kernel.org wrote:
> > > > > previous_pw_allocated = pi->pw_allocated_mW;
> > > > > pw_diff = pw_req - previous_pw_allocated;
> > > > > if (!pw_diff) {
[...]
> > > > regulator_set_current_limit()
> > > > pse_pi_set_current_limit()
> > > > ops->pi_set_pw_limit() <- new, higher limit
> > >
> > > @Oleksij, Here is another example of an issue related to the PSE PI being a
> > > regulator provider.
> > >
> > > @Carlo, Kyle is working on a series that remove the support for a PSE PI
> > > being a regulator provider. We will see where it goes.
> >
> > Removing the regulator provider support is a bad idea:
> >
> > - We will end up implementing a poor man's regulator framework inside the
> > network subsystem. Networking folks will have to deal with physical constraints
> > already solved by the power management community, requiring a different mindset
> > and domain experience.
>
> That's what we thought at the beginning of the implementation of PoE but in
> fact that's not the case. I don't see currently any cases of using already
> solved regulator constraint in the PoE core.
> The drawback are:
> - locks issues: solved one by using worker but there are still others
> appearing like this one
> - code complexity due to all the regulator callback wrapper
> - converting mW to mA for regulator framework then to mW again for the
> PSE driver callbacks. There are even devices that are using current
> limit therefore there will be 3 conversions.
>
> The more painful issues are the lock issues.
>
> > - We lose built-in regulator infrastructure: DT safety constraints
> > (regulator-max-microamp), over-current/under-voltage notifications, and
> > sysfs/debugfs (regulator_summary) visibility.
>
> I disagree here.
> regulator-max-microamp: has not interest from the PI side but this is
> related to its power supply. The PI should still stay as a regulator
> consumer so the power supply could describe this binding.
>
> over-current/under-voltage notifications: we are already reporting these PSE
> PIs notification through ethtool. We will loose
> regulator_notifier_call_chain() call but well there is no consumer to the PI
> regulator provider so it's mainly useless.
>
> Yes, we will loose sysfs/debugfs visibility, but is someone really using it
> as all PSE communication goes through ethtool?
>
> > - The race above is just a lock scope issue across pcdev->lock and the
> > regulator call, not a flaw in the abstraction.
>
> That's not something easy to solve as PSE and regulator provider are nested
> together.
> Either we put all of the lock issues inside workers, it will not be
> synchronous and will smell hackish but well...
> Or we try to combine the PSE lock with the regulator nested lock in one way
> or another.
> Do you have a better idea?
>
> > - Writing a custom power state machine in net/ will introduce more bugs than it
> > fixes - especially if we overestimate our ability to upstream complex custom
> > logic under LLM review supervision.
>
> Removing regulator provider will simplify a lot the implementation so I
> think it will rather remove bugs than introduce new one.
> I think we should let Kyle works on it with a RFC and we will see where it
> goes.
For what it's worth, and for others that might be interested but I missed
on cc, the RFC is here:
https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20261020-pse_regulator_fixes-v1-1-fd6084a22cba@est.tech/
Thanks,
Kyle
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-21 15:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-18 8:23 [PATCH net 00/10] net: pse-pd: assorted lifetime and error-path fixes Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 01/10] net: pse-pd: size the notification kfifo after defaulting nr_lines Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 9:22 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 02/10] net: pse-pd: fix module refcount leak in pse_control_get_internal() Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 8:51 ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 9:31 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 03/10] net: pse-pd: do not keep a failed IRQ in pcdev->irq Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 9:33 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 04/10] net: pse-pd: do not reach a freed PHY from the notification worker Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 8:51 ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 05/10] net: pse-pd: check the PI state under the lock when setting a power limit Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 8:51 ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-10-19 12:30 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-20 5:40 ` Oleksij Rempel
2026-10-20 10:19 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-21 15:40 ` Kyle Swenson [this message]
2026-10-21 15:42 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 06/10] net: pse-pd: do not tie a shared power domain to its creator's devres Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 8:51 ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 07/10] net: pse-pd: pd692x0: release the manager power budget through devres Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 12:45 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 08/10] net: pse-pd: pd692x0: defer probe while a manager supply is unresolved Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 12:47 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 09/10] net: pse-pd: si3474: fix use-after-free in ancillary client error path Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 12:50 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-18 8:23 ` [PATCH net 10/10] net: pse-pd: reject a power limit whose current does not fit an int Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-19 12:53 ` Kory Maincent
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
2026-10-18 23:32 ` [PATCH net 00/10] net: pse-pd: assorted lifetime and error-path fixes Ross Cawston
2026-10-19 19:56 ` Carlo Szelinsky
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