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From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev,
	Bradley Morgan <brads@mainlining.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Dan Carpenter <error27@gmail.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@inria.fr>, SJ Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 3/6] agents: add a skill to determine stable tags
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2026 21:32:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avUlMcKIeJgmCg5J@laps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261111171055.527b4bf3da705367bc78a64c@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2026 at 05:10:55PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>Marco had some thoughts on this just today:
>
>https://lore.kernel.org/CANpmjNMvM_TCs7Fao9+gM-NNpQyBKYumSuWOt_03ZX+tLwbjWw@mail.gmail.com

This makes a lot of sense.

>And Documentation/process/stable-kernel-rules.rst does ask for real
>things, not theoretical stuff.

We've actually dropped[1] the "theoretical" part.

The problem we were seeing is that bots were sending real fixes, with a solid
changelog, but not adding the stable@ tag.

Apparently our wording is pretty strong: unless you can prove that the issue is
real, it remains theoretical. You'd have to either show a real case where you
hit the bug, or to have reproduced the issue and can provide a way for us to
reproduce it.

Most bots can't actually do that for technical reasons, even if the bug is 100%
affecting our users, so they don't add the stable@ tag.

>Also, I would keenly like to see changelogs clearly explain *why* a
>backport is proposed.  As I have said 1000 times, "when fixing a bug
>please clearly describe the userspace-visible runtime effects of that
>bug".  Can we pleeeeeeeeeeze get this requirement clearly enshrined in
>this patcset somewhere where the LLMs will read it and comply?  It's
>really simple for the LLMs to cook up a paragraph for this, if so
>directed.

This is a great point, and would make our lives much easier too.

It sounds a lot like something that humans would benefit from hearing as well?
If so, I can send a patch tomorrow to add it to
Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst and refer to it explicitly in the
agents file?


[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20261020142537.3533510-1-sashal@kernel.org/

-- 
Thanks,
Sasha

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-12  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-11 22:59 [PATCH v5 0/6] agents: add skills for Fixes tags, stable tags, similar bugs, and commit messages Theodore Ts'o
2026-11-11 22:59 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] agents: add infrastructure for agent resources Theodore Ts'o
2026-11-12 20:12   ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-11-11 22:59 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] agents: add a skill to determine Fixes tags Theodore Ts'o
2026-11-12 20:18   ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-11-11 22:59 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] agents: add a skill to determine stable tags Theodore Ts'o
2026-11-12  1:10   ` Andrew Morton
2026-11-12  2:32     ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2026-11-12  2:50       ` Andrew Morton
2026-11-12  7:06   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-11-11 22:59 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] agents: add a skill to find other instances of a fixed bug Theodore Ts'o
2026-11-12 20:23   ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-11-11 22:59 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] agents: add a skill to write commit messages Theodore Ts'o
2026-11-12 20:25   ` Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)
2026-11-11 22:59 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] agents: add a skill to write KUnit tests Theodore Ts'o
2026-11-12  0:57   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-11-12  1:12   ` Andrew Morton
2026-11-12  8:26 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] agents: add skills for Fixes tags, stable tags, similar bugs, and commit messages Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-11-12 13:46   ` Theodore Tso
2026-11-12 13:49     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-11-12 14:12       ` Sasha Levin
2026-11-12 14:17         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-11-12 14:42       ` Theodore Tso
2026-11-12 14:56         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-11-12 14:32 ` Sasha Levin

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