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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>,
	 Alejandro Colomar <alx+linux-man@kernel.org>,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	 Walter Harms <wharms@bfs.de>,
	~hallyn/shadow@lists.sr.ht, musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [musl] Re: [PATCH v1] man/man3/crypt.3: These functions accept many algorithms, not only DES
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2026 11:28:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avWT2aQCFY2GIwLp@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261112033742.GG5716@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

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Hi Rich, Vincent,

> Date: 2026-11-11 22:37:42-0500
> From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2026 at 04:29:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2026-11-11 21:53:39 -0500, Rich Felker wrote:
> > > That's the whole reason '$' was chosen: POSIX doesn't define the
> > > behavior (since a "shall" is violated) so the implementation is free
> > > to define a behavior here. The behaviors for the portable base64
> > > character set documented in POSIX uses only 2 characters as salt
> > > (insufficient) and the common agreed-upon definition for how they are
> > > used is as salt for the classic DES-based password hash.
> > 
> > But the behavior is completely out of scope of POSIX.
> 
> Yes. And that's allowed because POSIX does not define the behavior but
> leaves it undefined. I'm not sure if you're objecting to something
> here or questioning how it should be documented or something else..?

Yeah, I think it'd be okay to document that this is an extension to
POSIX.  Perhaps, we could add this:

	@@ -111,6 +111,9 @@ .SH ATTRIBUTES
	 .BR crypt_r ()
	 T}     Thread safety   MT-Safe
	 .TE
	+.SH VERSIONS
	+While POSIX only specifies the DES algorithms for these functions,
	+all systems implement several other algorithms.
	 .SH STANDARDS
	 .TP
	 .BR crypt ()



Have a lovely day!
Alex

> 
> Rich

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-12 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-09 23:58 [PATCH v1] man/man3/crypt.3: These functions accept many algorithms, not only DES Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-10  0:01 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-11 15:05   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-11-11 18:55     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-11 21:13       ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2026-11-11 21:43         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12  1:52   ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12  2:53     ` Rich Felker
2026-11-12  3:29       ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12  3:37         ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2026-11-12 10:28           ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2026-11-12 11:40             ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 12:08               ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 13:15                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 13:26                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 12:08             ` Rich Felker
2026-11-12 12:27               ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 12:41                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2026-11-12 13:12                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 13:27                     ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 13:17                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 13:23                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 13:45                     ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 13:55                       ` Rich Felker
2026-11-12 14:07                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 14:43                           ` Rich Felker
2026-11-12 14:58                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 18:08                               ` Rich Felker
2026-11-12 22:22                                 ` Alejandro Colomar

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