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From: Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy  <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@gmail.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	Wander Lairson Costa <wander@redhat.com>,
	marcelo.cerri@canonical.com, tim.gardner@canonical.com,
	khalid.elmously@canonical.com, philip.cox@canonical.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Nakajima,
	Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 5/5] x86/tdx: Add Quote generation support
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:18:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8ea1778-02c1-b688-896d-dbb231eddf23@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18578c5a-7a35-ab20-467c-80141b0410a8@intel.com>

+ Jun

On 7/22/22 12:13 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 7/22/22 12:05, Isaku Yamahata wrote:
>>> So, the quote portion of this is basically a bidirectional blob sender.
>>>  It's to send a blob between guest userspace to host userspace.
>>>
>>> Do we *REALLY* need specific driver functionality for this?  For
>>> instance, is there no existing virtio device that can send blobs back
>>> and forth?
>> It's virtio-vsock.  If virtio-vsock is available, the communication works.
>> However, some users would like to disable virtio-vsock on their environment for
>> some reasons.  Even virtio at all.  Especially for confidential computing use
>> case.  It's their choice.  It can't be assumed that virtio is available.
>>
>> The goal is VMM-agnostic (but TDX-specific) interface for that.
> 
> You're basically saying that every confidential computing technology
> should have its own host user <-> guest kernel <-> guest user ABI.
> That's insanity.  If we do this, we need *one* interface that says "talk
> to the hypervisor" that's common for all hypervisors and hardware
> vendors, or at least more than *one*.
> 
> We don't need a way to talk to hypervisors for Intel systems and another
> for AMD and yet another on whatever.

For cases where your platform does not want to support or enable the generic
interface (like vsock), isn't it better to have a fallback approach? I am not
saying we should have such an ABI for all cases. But attestation is a must-have
feature for the TDX guest, and we want to support it in all TD guest platforms.
I think the GHCI ABI is added to meet this requirement.

Jun/Isaku, if you are aware of the exact requirement for this hypercall, please
share it. Also let us know your comments on this topic.

-- 
Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
Linux Kernel Developer

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-22 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-09  2:52 [PATCH v8 0/5] Add TDX Guest Attestation support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2022-06-09  2:52 ` [PATCH v8 1/5] x86/tdx: Add TDX Guest attestation interface driver Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2022-06-24 16:51   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-27 14:50     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-06-27 17:24       ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-30 23:50         ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-05 12:07           ` Kai Huang
2022-07-05 18:45             ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-05 18:52               ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-05 21:21                 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-05 22:31                   ` Kai Huang
2022-07-06 22:27                     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-06 22:59                       ` Kai Huang
2022-07-18 22:52                       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-06-09  2:52 ` [PATCH v8 2/5] x86/tdx: Add TDX Guest event notify interrupt support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2022-06-20 12:33   ` Kai Huang
2022-06-20 15:44     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-06-23  9:46       ` Kai Huang
2022-06-23 10:24       ` Kai Huang
2022-06-24 22:23       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-06-24 23:41       ` Nakajima, Jun
2022-06-25  3:35         ` Yao, Jiewen
2022-06-27 11:21           ` Kai Huang
2022-06-27 14:56             ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-14  0:46             ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-14 10:42               ` Kai Huang
2022-07-14 20:55                 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-14 23:58                   ` Kai Huang
2022-06-09  2:52 ` [PATCH v8 3/5] x86/mm: Make tdx_enc_status_changed() vmalloc address compatible Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2022-06-09  2:52 ` [PATCH v8 4/5] x86/mm: Add noalias variants of set_memory_*crypted() functions Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2022-06-24 13:19   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-27 15:12     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-27 18:24       ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-28  1:15         ` Kai Huang
2022-07-05 15:29           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-18 14:22             ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-19 16:13               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-19 17:10                 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-19 21:55                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-20 14:56                     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-20 16:17                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-20 16:58                         ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-06-09  2:52 ` [PATCH v8 5/5] x86/tdx: Add Quote generation support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2022-06-14 12:30   ` Wander Lairson Costa
2022-06-14 12:58     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-21 16:08   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-21 16:42     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-21 16:49       ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-21 16:54         ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-21 17:02           ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-21 17:16             ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-21 17:19               ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-21 18:31                 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-21 18:42                 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-07-21 18:52                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-21 18:57                     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-21 19:23                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-21 22:08                         ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-07-21 23:16                         ` Kai Huang
2022-07-21 23:32     ` Kai Huang
2022-07-22  0:27   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-22 19:05     ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-07-22 19:13       ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-22 21:18         ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy [this message]
2022-07-22 21:24           ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-25 20:19           ` Nakajima, Jun
2022-07-25 20:23             ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-25 21:56               ` Nakajima, Jun
2022-07-25 22:06                 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-08-09  6:20               ` Guorui Yu
2022-11-21  2:04                 ` Guorui Yu
2022-11-21  2:26                   ` Dave Hansen
2023-01-07  0:58                     ` Erdem Aktas
2022-07-25 11:05         ` Kai Huang
2022-06-24 18:24 ` [PATCH v8 0/5] Add TDX Guest Attestation support Dave Hansen
2022-06-27 14:51   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-06-27 18:51     ` Dave Hansen

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