From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73686C61DA4 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 01:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229488AbjCPBoI (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Mar 2023 21:44:08 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34210 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229479AbjCPBoH (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Mar 2023 21:44:07 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B40F72B0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id j2so112107wrh.9 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:44:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1678931043; h=in-reply-to:from:content-language:references:cc:to:subject :user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=s+DzzJ/FEKIGmewQ01xQAlCvdV1o6qJZDfh8Am3WIxg=; b=jXXnP+hpParNpV+S1KA3xPCQf3mvRGM4t7nosdG1Tk4fR+PpdlVrJ6VnGntrIc9aDO NDimlYeIudCQOuOt427zNbbPbCTR/otEjiBDrIPgAtp4L24lOtQ/1SpRgtSyKmqmwyvS jGFYV2oSUbMP+ZK4wNwxmzGxdv9HHbvZheXFAOp4nZbzVV5UN05X2ae+/s2MOl1jV1sg rcCXqNi32+0PVejLbfPl6XSm7z0RrLybEHIqA5cT+izhdZ/KjuI8a6V68P50rLZVbyJ/ Ol5HoObEtkjrbgsiSaCvKeS8YigDfB/HERNOtplj9Vuxk8F5jjgEmHkG4U4WxprH4ZFR ohQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678931043; h=in-reply-to:from:content-language:references:cc:to:subject :user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id:x-gm-message-state:from:to :cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=s+DzzJ/FEKIGmewQ01xQAlCvdV1o6qJZDfh8Am3WIxg=; b=WzJKaBWKKpVc33wQPZSCTOjDkP54/RjXCK3J7j405N1gMY61y96O1kaXpfKvQrhmI1 zMbI2cKN6Xey4+28XeAcMdLUcjCrF3uWPNxV53S9+K5Wm+/koHh/1ZWvxBMAwjmBHJVq KSqdVslSPKirjFJX8g3wLJK8QJzuhk8Zov9skMcO9shyUvhJ1wLi3VC6XIP6uTKmmgc+ gQkOYrSyLQQtQmHIKIGHCqlikY0uHGlmoetOlIIaToySF/fhUnTgo2N4Z1OhYsv4vUKj mu0PEDbaUrEx3PxrjwIQM/e1ognvW5nZtzE0UE4XG+NKTOhhwmS1riINj0N0GaIDusTn 84bw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKWVsu1wO+6ct4fahnphdTdOo8XYhBGUWLKAZZGSmp2p0gVbn192 0hav2RXq7OX+2VVhpNkffLg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+MYrq7l+3H/pmkmEvH7umi38/aA56H2+ashCrnsv6CrMpGm9cNSqyhR5+R6+1Lvaf2a4vTEg== X-Received: by 2002:adf:e8cd:0:b0:2ca:175b:d850 with SMTP id k13-20020adfe8cd000000b002ca175bd850mr3024296wrn.11.1678931043359; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.160] ([170.253.51.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j17-20020adfe511000000b002c707785da4sm5909433wrm.107.2023.03.15.18.44.02 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 02:43:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.8.0 Subject: Re: Revert "Many Pages: Remove references to C89" To: Tom Schwindl Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org References: <20230310015150.3545768-1-Matt.Jolly@footclan.ninja> <8899aff7-4193-dd54-4488-234b1a6cee83@gmail.com> <591290fb-e78d-ad3a-8b25-4a860d26f775@gmail.com> <6aad40b5-04ca-68d8-7da2-cb4a7bed7ded@Shaw.ca> Content-Language: en-US From: Alejandro Colomar In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------pNPB0iUWk8h6nmXoNOcenAjc" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------------pNPB0iUWk8h6nmXoNOcenAjc Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------wMksQ0dG4VRrovdK9djmi8Bm"; protected-headers="v1" From: Alejandro Colomar To: Tom Schwindl Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revert "Many Pages: Remove references to C89" References: <20230310015150.3545768-1-Matt.Jolly@footclan.ninja> <8899aff7-4193-dd54-4488-234b1a6cee83@gmail.com> <591290fb-e78d-ad3a-8b25-4a860d26f775@gmail.com> <6aad40b5-04ca-68d8-7da2-cb4a7bed7ded@Shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: --------------wMksQ0dG4VRrovdK9djmi8Bm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, On 3/15/23 19:10, Tom Schwindl wrote: > Hi Alex, >=20 >>> I have an archive of many drafts including (so far): >>> >>> 1.5M Sep 10 1998 N0843-C1999-CD-1998-08.pdf >>> 3.4M May 6 2005 N1124-C1999+TC2-CD-2005-05.pdf >>> 3.7M Sep 8 2007 N1256-C1999+TC3-CD-2007-09.pdf >>> 1.7M Apr 12 2011 N1570-C201X-CD-2011-04.pdf >>> 2.3M Oct 9 2017 N2176-C2017-CD-2017-10.pdf >>> 6.7M Jan 24 11:37 N3088-C2023-CD1-2023-01.pdf >>> >>> which can be downloaded as: >>> >>> https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n####.pdf >> >> Do you know if we can distribute them? which license applied to them?= >> I'm worried that some distros are very strict in what can be distribut= ed >> in a package (e.g., Fedora, Debian (main)). There were issues with >> man-pages-posix in the past. >> >> Should we maybe open a separate project iso-c-drafts that installs >> drafts of the ISO C standards and maybe some scripts that will be usef= ul >> with them? >> >=20 > This is probably a legal gray area and I'd be careful. Yeah, that's what I think. Until I'm 100% sure that it's legal, I won't do it. > ISOs license agreement[0] explicitly states the following: I had some doubts, because since the drafts have always been published in many sites, I don't know if that's legal, or simply ISO doesn't enforce the license over drafts... If someone knows for sure and can clarify, that would help. In fact, maybe I can write to someone in the committee... Thanks, Alex >=20 > > The ISO publication(s) you order is/are copyrighted by the Internat= ional > > Organization for Standardization. You acknowledge and agree to resp= ect ISO=E2=80=99s > > copyright in our publications by purchasing, downloading, copying o= r > > otherwise using (an) ISO publication(s). Except as provided for und= er this > > Licence Agreement, you may not lend, lease, reproduce, distribute o= r > > otherwise commercially exploit ISO publication(s). In the case of j= oint > > standards (such as ISO/IEC standards), this clause shall apply to t= he > > respective joint copyright ownership. >=20 > As we (or a third party) can only produce a plaintext version by downlo= ading the > original PDF draft and converting it, we agree with the above. Thus, we= can't > "reproduce" or "distribute" the standard, at least that's my understand= ing[1]. > I highly doubt that major distibutions would take that risk, nor should= we. >=20 >=20 > [0] > [1] For the record: I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. 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