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[104.129.187.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q30sm7759691pja.18.2019.10.18.19.59.26 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 3/3] mm: fix double page fault on arm64 if PTE_AF is cleared To: Palmer Dabbelt , will@kernel.org Cc: Justin.He@arm.com, Catalin.Marinas@arm.com, Mark.Rutland@arm.com, James.Morse@arm.com, maz@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org, kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, punitagrawal@gmail.com, tglx@linutronix.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, Kaly.Xin@arm.com, nd@arm.com References: From: Jia He Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:59:22 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Palmer On 2019/10/19 4:38, Palmer Dabbelt wrote: > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:46:08 PDT (-0700), will@kernel.org wrote: >> Hey Palmer, >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 04:21:59PM -0700, Palmer Dabbelt wrote: >>> On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 05:39:44 PDT (-0700), will@kernel.org wrote: >>> > On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 02:19:05AM +0000, Justin He (Arm Technology >>> China) wrote: >>> > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 09:57:40AM +0800, Jia He wrote: >>> > > > > diff --git a/mm/memory.c b/mm/memory.c >>> > > > > index b1ca51a079f2..1f56b0118ef5 100644 >>> > > > > --- a/mm/memory.c >>> > > > > +++ b/mm/memory.c >>> > > > > @@ -118,6 +118,13 @@ int randomize_va_space __read_mostly = >>> > > > >                      2; >>> > > > >  #endif >>> > > > > >>> > > > > +#ifndef arch_faults_on_old_pte >>> > > > > +static inline bool arch_faults_on_old_pte(void) >>> > > > > +{ >>> > > > > +    return false; >>> > > > > +} >>> > > > > +#endif >>> > > > >>> > > > Kirill has acked this, so I'm happy to take the patch as-is, however >>> isn't >>> > > > it the case that /most/ architectures will want to return true for >>> > > > arch_faults_on_old_pte()? In which case, wouldn't it make more sense for >>> > > > that to be the default, and have x86 and arm64 provide an override? For >>> > > > example, aren't most architectures still going to hit the double fault >>> > > > scenario even with your patch applied? >>> > > >>> > > No, after applying my patch series, only those architectures which >>> don't provide >>> > > setting access flag by hardware AND don't implement their >>> arch_faults_on_old_pte >>> > > will hit the double page fault. >>> > > >>> > > The meaning of true for arch_faults_on_old_pte() is "this arch doesn't >>> have the hardware >>> > > setting access flag way, it might cause page fault on an old pte" >>> > > I don't want to change other architectures' default behavior here. So >>> by default, >>> > > arch_faults_on_old_pte() is false. >>> > >>> > ...and my complaint is that this is the majority of supported architectures, >>> > so you're fixing something for arm64 which also affects arm, powerpc, >>> > alpha, mips, riscv, ... >>> > >>> > Chances are, they won't even realise they need to implement >>> > arch_faults_on_old_pte() until somebody runs into the double fault and >>> > wastes lots of time debugging it before they spot your patch. >>> >>> If I understand the semantics correctly, we should have this set to true.  I >>> don't have any context here, but we've got >>> >>>                /* >>>                 * The kernel assumes that TLBs don't cache invalid >>>                 * entries, but in RISC-V, SFENCE.VMA specifies an >>>                 * ordering constraint, not a cache flush; it is >>>                 * necessary even after writing invalid entries. >>>                 */ >>>                local_flush_tlb_page(addr); >>> >>> in do_page_fault(). >> >> Ok, although I think this is really about whether or not your hardware can >> make a pte young when accessed, or whether you take a fault and do it >> by updating the pte explicitly. >> >> v12 of the patches did change the default, so you should be "safe" with >> those either way: >> >> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2019-October/686030.html > > OK, that fence is because we allow invalid translations to be cached, which > is a completely different issue. > > RISC-V implementations are allowed to have software managed accessed/dirty > bits.  For some reason I thought we were relying on the firmware to handle > this, but I can't actually find the code so I might be crazy.  Wherever it's > done, there's no spec enforcing it so we should leave this true on RISC-V. > Thanks for the confirmation. So we can keep the default arch_faults_on_old_pte (return true) on RISC-V. Thanks. --- Cheers, Justin (Jia He)